Nijel Amos 1:41.89!

Armstronglivs wrote:

Is Real wrote:

Oldmanstrength.

Oldmanstrength = Onthejuice

Yes, the natural man juice which last longer for a chosen few.

The other rocket fuel wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

And there was no EPO in 1962.

Steroids and amphetamines FTW

But no confirmed dopers using that in middle distance events in 1962. It certainly wasn't part of Lydiard's formula for success - and Snell was a Lydiard athlete. The world was a very different place then. I was there.

selection bias wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Oldmanstrength = Onthejuice

Yes, the natural man juice which last longer for a chosen few.

You and Portnoy.

but hurt deanouk is right.

monaco track plus for some reason good rabbiting and everyone looking for a pb is 3 seconds beter than the average good track all considered.

the brits 329 read 327 or better.

you think moe could race coe at 1500m? in your wlidest dreams??

el g however showed that he was good for 324 mid to high on the right monaco day.

what is ;pathetic is that 335 guys run 332 and somehow think they are something.

its a mirage.

and right, grass can be fast, or slow

and right, south africa has open season for peds, next domino after ethopia gets it.

bold was quoted as saying, the sprinters now are not training hard like they used to,

of course they are doing some testing now in the carrib, and you no longer have like the top 4 or 5 200m men

in the world coming from one small island.

but their woman's champ 100m (jamaica), she's the biggest criminal out there right now.

fake queen, but good for her is she saves the cash and gives it to her mom and kids.

Armstronglivs wrote:

And there was no EPO in 1962.

Wait, whuh???

I thought the LRC doping police policy was that EPO doesn't help 800m runners?

wtfunny wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

And there was no EPO in 1962.

Wait, whuh???

I thought the LRC doping police policy was that EPO doesn't help 800m runners?

It helps 400m runners. Of course it helps 800m runners. And of course 30 year old Amos is doped. As noted by someone earlier, when his coach was popped in Spain with all those drugs a few years ago Amos became much slower, finally claiming to be injured. He trains abroad, then makes pit stops in Africa to load up and then shows up in prime form in Europe. It's laughable. He's a 1:44 guy at best who's lucky to be a great responder to PEDs.

Amos' agent years back said he believed Amos was 24 in 2013. Look at him. He's 30.

The track's not illegal. It's just a combination of things, including expectations, making it similar to Oslo back in the day. The fact that the air is literally "dead" in the stadium is a big help to runners from 400m up.

Amos is of course at least 30. And he's a doper. All of the Africans based abroad make trips him or hook up with their shady "managers" before hitting the tracks in Europe. As someone on Youtube pointed out there's definitely behind the scenes politicking going on that's helping certain people cheat, be allowed to cheat. One can guess at the political aims for this. One of them would be for Westerners to pray for more third worlders to help them win. It's all so laughable.

Deanouk wrote:

Had Ovett and co. had the Monaco track to run on, you can probably take off 2 secs for their pbs.

Grice is on a good track chasing people all the way to the line. So of course he's running faster than Ovett. He's also likely better trained than Ovett - at least over the past year. Ovett and Coe ran their best 1500s in Rieti I believe, which is also a hotbed of fast times. Maybe should deduct some time from their 1500 performances at that locale. You're getting too worked up over Monaco.

I can remember when Oslo was the big deal in terms of fast times just like Monaco.

Time marches on. No one is saying Grice is better than Ovett or Coe. But it won't be surprising when he runs sub 3:30 in this day and age. He'll have to do it clean unlike most of the third world runners he's competing against.

I believe those who say that the skids have been greased to give the E. Africans more of a chance to cheat because of the rise of some younger Europeans like Burgin, Jakob, and now Grice. Have to keep the illusions alive and the propaganda going.

I side with the others. Amos is a cheat, in terms of age back in the day and in terms of PED usage.

yrtutyjuh wrote:

milermb wrote:

Snell ran 1:44.3 in 1962 on a grass track.

Given that the track at Monaco must be at least a second a lap quicker, we haven't moved forward that much in 57 years have we?

1:44.3 - 2 = 1:42.3, not 1:41.89

And Snell always said that grass track was super fast.

I have raced on grass tracks and for 400m-Mile that's my favorite surface.

Grass isn't anywhere near as fast as that Monaco track. The fact that you are raising that is just utterly preposterous.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The world was a very different place then. I was there.

I wish you could go back there and stay there.

If everything was so amazing in the past, why don't you get off the internet and keep your opinions to your fellow "ah the old days, those were the days" pals?

ertrhjyt wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The world was a very different place then. I was there.

I wish you could go back there and stay there.

If everything was so amazing in the past, why don't you get off the internet and keep your opinions to your fellow "ah the old days, those were the days" pals?

I hear a baby crying.

Deanouk wrote:

And the idea he was 18 in 2012 is also ridiculous.

Yeah, the old 'if hes young he's an age cheat' and 'if he still runs well at 38 yo he's also an age cheat'. Huh??

You guys are so focused on 'whites only lose because they run against cheaters' rubbish that you cannot even understand your own infantile logic

You won't hear any "Jakob" is an age cheat because 'no 18 yo can run like that", nor that he is a drug cheat...all to do with special training that has been suddenly discovered after 100 yrs of modern athletics

Deanouk wrote:

And the idea he was 18 in 2012 is also ridiculous.

So how old is he? What is it... 7 years later and he still breaks 1:42.

Macdaddy wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

And the idea he was 18 in 2012 is also ridiculous.

So how old is he? What is it... 7 years later and he still breaks 1:42.

As far as I know Algerians don't have a history of age cheating.

1:43 @ 24

1:42 @ 28

1776 wrote:

Macdaddy wrote:

So how old is he? What is it... 7 years later and he still breaks 1:42.

As far as I know Algerians don't have a history of age cheating.

1:43 @ 24

1:42 @ 28

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/algeria/taoufik-makhloufi-232780

They more than make up for it in just plain cheating outright.

Armstronglivs wrote:

ertrhjyt wrote:

I wish you could go back there and stay there.

If everything was so amazing in the past, why don't you get off the internet and keep your opinions to your fellow "ah the old days, those were the days" pals?

I hear a baby crying.

Of course you do. Time to change your diapers, old baby.

ertrhjyt wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I hear a baby crying.

Of course you do. Time to change your diapers, old baby.

Of course you were going to say that. Anything less predictable required imagination, and a wit that you don't possess. I can see that you regularly get lapped in the daily race of life.

I am Sam wrote:

You won't hear any "Jakob" is an age cheat because 'no 18 yo can run like that", nor that he is a drug cheat...all to do with special training that has been suddenly discovered after 100 yrs of modern athletics

What is the difficulty in understanding that in Third World countries where even birth registration isn't universal, that there exists widely documented and confirmed age cheating, and that this would be close to impossible in a country like Norway?