I sent this to my friend who is constantly saying 2:03 guys have to be doping and he wasn't convinced. I thought it was a very strong answer and liked how he talked about his family and values.
Well, ok, I guess that settles it. If he says he isn't doping and has family values then clearly there is not a doping problem in Kenya.
I clearly don't think he settles it but I'd love to have a body reading expert compare his response to those of Lance or Marion Jones.
The people who get most indignant are IMO the dirty ones.
However with Lance and Marion, I heard a lot more than "they are Americans they must be dirty."
That's in essence what some say to me, "There are a lot of dopers in Kenya, the marathons times have come down, they must also be doping."
Maybe Mutai should try running 2:03 first. On a course that isn't a point-to-point downhill with a gale at his back that is.
The onus is on you to identify your friend and have him explain why he believes sub 2:04 marathons can' t happen without drugs.
- many drug busts in kenya
- drugs easy to get in kenya
- times in marathon now crushing all previous times in history
he answers nothing
That 70s guy wrote:
The onus is on you to identify your friend and have him explain why he believes sub 2:04 marathons can' t happen without drugs.
whats an onus?
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5468002Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Name 5 drug busts in Kenya.
When answering questions, he seemed very humble and tried to answer the best way he could. I did find that he was a little uncomfortable or sad when answering about his family. You could tell he missed them.
crunk in the thorn wrote:
- many drug busts in kenya
- drugs easy to get in kenya
- times in marathon now crushing all previous times in history
he answers nothing
Are drugs hard to get anywhere in the world? They're far much easier to get in Europe and America. Kenya has clinics, so yes, you'll find pharmaceuticals. Would you prefer Kenya conformed to your stereotype of primitive African state with no hospitals? So stupid.
typical letsrun wrote:
whats an onus?
A perfectly round anus.
I couldn't have stated it better. You just have to have faith in the integrity of these athletes.
It's just so sad to have these talented and hardworking athletes efforts tainted by a few strugglers and nobodies who may have cheated because they're not good enough to cut it in Kenya. Remember, out of hundreds and hundreds of elite Kenyan runners, we've have these, who've never even come close to representing their country.
Meanwhile, the best and the brightest of the United States ... (Olympic and World champions Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Tyson Gay, Lashawn Merrit, Mary Decker ...) have been caught left and right, yet somehow this doesn't mean the entire body of American runners aren't under suspicion? Are there a different set of rules for poorer countries?
A 58min half marathoner and a 2:05 guy have been busted within the last year. These are NOT NOBODIES.
wake up fools.
El Keniano wrote:
Are drugs hard to get anywhere in the world? They're far much easier to get in Europe and America. Kenya has clinics, so yes, you'll find pharmaceuticals. Would you prefer Kenya conformed to your stereotype of primitive African state with no hospitals? So stupid.
Exactly. If you're an American, you could walk into your gym and get any PED you want. Look at bodybuilding forums sometime if you really think drugs are hard to get here.
I don't think these people see what they're doing as wrong. I think cheating in sport is seen as a means to an end in non traditional sporting nations.
Filthy as you get.
Lance swore he was clean and is a family man too.
Virginia Runner wrote:
Lance swore he was clean and is a family man too.
Lance was a media-trained drone with an empire worth millions of dollars riding on his name. Most of these Kenyan guys will return to their farms once the inevitable new crop of younger runners starts to eclipse them. Probably lost in his poor English; I don't think you lot sensed the sadness Geoffrey Mutai feels because he's been tarred by the same brush as some sap who got caught cheating but was never good enough to become elite or represent his country.
I agree, and was particularly struck by Mutai's line:
"I've done too many good things for too many people."
Oh, I might be confusing that with another sporting giant's answer to probes about doping.
...
Seriously, how can you be satisfied with that?
El Keniano wrote:
It's just so sad to have these talented and hardworking athletes efforts tainted by a few strugglers and nobodies who may have cheated because they're not good enough to cut it in Kenya. Remember, out of hundreds and hundreds of elite Kenyan runners, we've have these, who've never even come close to representing their country.
Meanwhile, the best and the brightest of the United States ... (Olympic and World champions Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Tyson Gay, Lashawn Merrit, Mary Decker ...) have been caught left and right, yet somehow this doesn't mean the entire body of American runners aren't under suspicion? Are there a different set of rules for poorer countries?
Anyone suspicious of Kenya and not the US is a hypocrite. Even some of the Europeans who are busted are those training in the US (Fagan, Im lumping in the dutch runner Herzog although she has not been proven guilty.)
To say that fans unfairly scrutinize Jamaica and Kenya is accurate. But, only because they are not willing to look in the mirror themselves.
Kenya has a doping problem. Jamaica has a doping problem. The US has a doping problem. The proof is in the pudding: this year's worth of failed tests, WADA's figures of how few tests are conducted (kenya was tested many times compared to others, but with all if the winning they do, how many were OOC?).
Just like Tennis, the media is too silent. Flotrack and Letsrun have more freedom to dig, but prefer their idealism over the truth.
Reiterating what I asked before, but this time addressing the fans: How can you be so satisfied?
