Woah baby. That last 400 was IMPRESSIVE. 54.23 last 440, with a 25.94 last 200. 3:47.38. American record He DESTROYED the field (and his teammates) in the process. Under Armour's Neil Gourley was 2nd in 3:49.46 as Hoare and (3:50.83 NR), Tanner (3:51.70 pb) and Garcia Romo (3:51.79 NR) consoled themselves with PBs or NRs in 3-4-5.
The should use an existing meet in the US and get a bunch of 3:52 and faster Americans in the race with some good pacers and make a big deal out of an American Record attempt.
Agreed. As are 12:51 5ks and 3:47 miles. I think it is a mixture of the shoes and indoor tracks (the fact there are known 'fast' venues proves that not all tracks are equal and that some are clearly faster than others, hence times are not reliable)
Will be interesting if they can repeat these times on the European circuit come summer
Deanouk, coming out of you what is this 3:47 mile comment? Steve Cram ran 3:46 outdoors with wind, a monster kick and bad pacemaking 35 years ago? Sebastian Coe breaking 3:30 a couple years removed from his prime. I don't think there's much question that you transport Cram to this era we are seeing something special.
The 3,000 and up are a different story, but let's not pretend that a 3:47 mile or 3:30 1500 is some crazy eye-popping thing when guys were doing it in the 80s under worse conditions with worse equipment.
Nuguse ran 7:28 at BU, so blame the track and the shoes, but 3:47 at Millrose is special. Millrose does not have any specially designed, super springy track. Hoare ran 3:30/3:47 outdoors but 3:50 at Millrose, while Fisher ran 12:53 at BU but 12:46/26:33 outdoors. A lot more guys are running paced races for time now than previously, and they are really taking advantage of their extra COVID years at school, but I don't see the evidence that says these guys run faster indoors than out. Indeed, if you look at the NCAA D1 indoor qualifying list this year, there are 89 sub-4s, which is incredible and well beyond previous years. However, that pales in comparison to the # of sub-4 equivalent times (counting 1500m in 3:42.70 and under) run OUTDOORS last year, 137. So, is it really the indoor tracks? All of them?
I think his story is fantastic and wish him all the best - BUT you have to wonder how he came very close to the world record CLEAN when so many dirty runners who preceded him gave it their all and never came close.
I think his story is fantastic and wish him all the best - BUT you have to wonder how he came very close to the world record CLEAN when so many dirty runners who preceded him gave it their all and never came close.
Like who? The mile record is held by a 5K/10K runner (Kejelcha) for the most part. A 5K/10K guy in Geb used to be near the top of the indoor 1500 list. Samuel Tefera a middling 1500m runner outdoors had that record. If indoors was as fast/taken as seriously as it is now that mile record would be much faster.
I think his story is fantastic and wish him all the best - BUT you have to wonder how he came very close to the world record CLEAN when so many dirty runners who preceded him gave it their all and never came close.
You've just set a personal record. The first time you've raised a credible rational point in a thread.
I think his story is fantastic and wish him all the best - BUT you have to wonder how he came very close to the world record CLEAN when so many dirty runners who preceded him gave it their all and never came close.
Like who? The mile record is held by a 5K/10K runner (Kejelcha) for the most part. A 5K/10K guy in Geb used to be near the top of the indoor 1500 list. Samuel Tefera a middling 1500m runner outdoors had that record. If indoors was as fast/taken as seriously as it is now that mile record would be much faster.
What do you mean indoors isn't taken "seriously"? There have been wr's ever since races have been run indoors and I have yet to see any top runner indicate the surface means the event doesn't matter to them. Some are better suited to it than others but that is a separate question.
I think his story is fantastic and wish him all the best - BUT you have to wonder how he came very close to the world record CLEAN when so many dirty runners who preceded him gave it their all and never came close.
It's almost like there's a difference in talent between some runners. Maybe those runners you describe were inferior talents who only got where they were because they were "dirty" (as you assert).
What do you mean indoors isn't taken "seriously"? There have been wr's ever since races have been run indoors and I have yet to see any top runner indicate the surface means the event doesn't matter to them. Some are better suited to it than others but that is a separate question.
Many athletes don’t run it at all. Many athletes use it as glorified workouts. Many of the greatest ever fit into those two camps - especially milers.
What do you mean indoors isn't taken "seriously"? There have been wr's ever since races have been run indoors and I have yet to see any top runner indicate the surface means the event doesn't matter to them. Some are better suited to it than others but that is a separate question.
Many athletes don’t run it at all. Many athletes use it as glorified workouts. Many of the greatest ever fit into those two camps - especially milers.
Many also do - and have. I'm not aware that top athletes don't take indoor racing seriously. And why wouldn't they? They race over the same distances outdoors and against much the same competition. And for similar money now. I've never seen it claimed that indoors is a 'B' level competition.