The x-factor here is if Valby's competitors are going to get Bowermanned. Under the circumstances that cannot be ruled out. Think back from 2016-2020 when Shelby and her training partner had a stranglehold on the sport domestically and no one could physically match them. That was pure chemistry, and chemical superiority has a distinct signature. Based on the data so far this should be a very competitive race. But Valby had a performance leap for the finals last spring, so who knows what happens here.
Katelyn Tuohy will not win and its okay
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Always lies. Nobody was doping in their group during that period.
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I appreciate the effort don't as much credence in Lacctic as I do with speed ratings. Just not enough data in college running. It does not account for things like race tactics or course conditions or short courses very well. Valby in three races ran hard from the gun to maximize a gap on fast, relatively flat courses. She went super hard at regionals where no one else really thought it was worth the effort to answer her early attack and where her own coach did not understand why she was attacking. Tuohy has generally sat and kicked, getting a gap over the last 1-2 k. Even in the ACC once the race settled down between her and Chmiel she did not push until the last 1k. Yet relatively she had a bigger gap over Chelangat or the FSU's top finishers but smaller gaps regarding some others. It is certainly not going out on a limb to predict that Valby, who was the second best 5000m runner in the NCAA last year, could win. But if she wins it won't validate or invalidate Lacctic ratings.
Agree. Valby is devastating, but I wouldnt call her results "better than" KT. That course Valby ran on had multiple finish under 19! And a host close to 19 flat. Tuohy seems to be happy with not leading a race start to finish. Cant wait, its going to be carnage. No safe bets to me.
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Why is there this creepy obsession with Tuohy? It is legitimately viewed that if you even predict she loses, you "hate" her. What a bunch of snowflakes. Grown men obsessed over girls running 5:15-5:20 mile pace for a short distance. Preemptively addressing the immature comments, when I competed I never struggled to be far ahead of the fastest girl in NCAA 5K...or 10-20 seconds faster than the global pro women's 5K.
dude no one cares how you compare to women..like how freaking lame lol. Compare yourself to the men. Sounds like you are lapped in the 5k and not making NCAA nationals.
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Why is there this creepy obsession with Tuohy? It is legitimately viewed that if you even predict she loses, you "hate" her. What a bunch of snowflakes. Grown men obsessed over girls running 5:15-5:20 mile pace for a short distance. Preemptively addressing the immature comments, when I competed I never struggled to be far ahead of the fastest girl in NCAA 5K...or 10-20 seconds faster than the global pro women's 5K.
Cue the barbershop scene from Coming to America. "Every time we start talkin' bout' womens XC, someone gotta come in here and say we are all creeps!" I wondered how long it would take on this thread. If we dont talk about women's sports, there's a glass ceiling and we are all sexist. If we do talk about womens sports, we are all creepy? Please help us!
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Not a serious thread or analysis. Just another Tuohy hate thread.
Saying someone isn't going to win an individual national championship qualifies as 'hate'?
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Serious question. Are you Katelyn Tuohy?
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astro wrote:
The x-factor here is if Valby's competitors are going to get Bowermanned. Under the circumstances that cannot be ruled out. Think back from 2016-2020 when Shelby and her training partner had a stranglehold on the sport domestically and no one could physically match them. That was pure chemistry, and chemical superiority has a distinct signature. Based on the data so far this should be a very competitive race. But Valby had a performance leap for the finals last spring, so who knows what happens here.
GIVE IT A REST Astro..... we get it. You have an OPINION. no facts except complete conjecture. Just try and stop beating the same thing over and over and over.
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No. Only if it is Tuohy.
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Get help... wrote:
Why is there this creepy obsession with Tuohy? It is legitimately viewed that if you even predict she loses, you "hate" her. What a bunch of snowflakes. Grown men obsessed over girls running 5:15-5:20 mile pace for a short distance. Preemptively addressing the immature comments, when I competed I never struggled to be far ahead of the fastest girl in NCAA 5K...or 10-20 seconds faster than the global pro women's 5K.
Cue the barbershop scene from Coming to America. "Every time we start talkin' bout' womens XC, someone gotta come in here and say we are all creeps!" I wondered how long it would take on this thread. If we dont talk about women's sports, there's a glass ceiling and we are all sexist. If we do talk about womens sports, we are all creepy? Please help us!
This creep will be enjoying a barn burner for "girls" XC nationals! Sorry you have to boycott it.The best part is that they are complaining about people being creepy for reading and contributing to threads regarding college women.....but they do so while they are reading threads on college women, and by posting on these threads.
Kind of like the smoker telling a group of people not to smoke. Anyway...there's no cure for Stupid!
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Following women's running is creepy AF.
This is one reason I completely ignore NCAA and especially, high school running.
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How many years have the "experts" given the trophy ahead of time to the "fastest" runner only to realize why it's a race. Just very recently, NYC Marathon. Obiri, or Salpeter or Gebserlassie to win. Who does win? The first-time marathoner with the slowest times of all of the above.
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birdbeard wrote:
No real dog in the fight, but Tuohy beat Valby at nationals in the spring, right?
Correct. Tuohy also put 12 seconds on Chelangat in 1k back in September. In October, Valby hammered from the gun and put 8 seconds in Chelamgat over 5.9k or whatever that course was in late October.
If you carried this reasoning through for every runner (not just Chelangat) and averaged it, you would have lacctic.
I don’t think Tuohy has been tested this season. I’m going to go with Valby as the favorite, but not more of a favorite than the person with the “fastest seed” going into a track race. Its rare to have two runners of this caliber going head to head for the first time at nationals - should be pretty exciting
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