Ecto, meso or endo? wrote:
farmer boy wrote:I grew up to be exceptionally strong and athletic, but not as a competitive runner.
Ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph?
ecto-mesomorph? More towards the mesomorph though.
Ecto, meso or endo? wrote:
farmer boy wrote:I grew up to be exceptionally strong and athletic, but not as a competitive runner.
Ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph?
ecto-mesomorph? More towards the mesomorph though.
farmer boy wrote:
Ecto, meso or endo? wrote:Ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph?
ecto-mesomorph? More towards the mesomorph though.
Well there ya go, one reason why farmer boy you can't run like farmer boy Dennis.
More meso wrote:
farmer boy wrote:ecto-mesomorph? More towards the mesomorph though.
Well there ya go, one reason why farmer boy you can't run like farmer boy Dennis.
I had enough reason with the primary one. Lack of running talent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR6byodEFNcNorDick wrote:
The Maasai live on whole milk and liquid steak. Isn't that good for building mass according to your Nordic Barbarian theory?
Not the beanpoles in robes you see on National Geographic.
But no matter what you eat, if you eat few calories, you'll be skinny. I expect if all you had to eat was cows, you'd might have to eat sparingly.
That's his hometown not his tribe.
True unadulterated Maasai tribesmen also eat a lot of calories. Actual digestible calories too.
It takes a lot of quality protein to do cow-fit.
Here's what scientists have to say on East African distance running success. Short story: It's primarily genetics.
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Thank you
This newspaper story described superficial anatomical characteristics of Kenyan runners. Maybe these differences are crucial but they need to be investigated further. For example, actually knowing the weight differences of the lower leg would help more in understanding how this could influence efficiency.
It says 400 grams less right in the article and describes how added weight increases oxygen demand.
Would you like them to actually sever the lower legs to make sure they're not being dishonest in their weighing process?
Well, that should about wrap this thread up.
"I can't say for sure whether the enzyme levels are due to genetics or training"
It's neither...
proper scientist wrote:
This newspaper story described superficial anatomical characteristics of Kenyan runners. Maybe these differences are crucial but they need to be investigated further. For example, actually knowing the weight differences of the lower leg would help more in understanding how this could influence efficiency.
I agree. This actually isn't a proper scientific study at all.
To determine the genetics of running, you have to compare fast Kenyans to slow Kenyans (yes there are lots of them), and fast Europeans to slow Europeans. You have to control for all other variables first. THEN if you find traits that correlate with running - you can start contrasting Kenyans vs. Europeans based on those traits.
A problem with the skinny calf conjecture is that while larger calves increase energy demands, those larger calves are also able to provide larger force. There's nothing in their study to confirm or deny this - all they've determined is their group of Kenyans are faster than Europeans, and made a wild-ass guess as to why.
Let me guess - these scientists are European scientists? Pretty sure they have no sort of personal agenda...because it's not like throughout history Europeans have ever made up stories about the physical or other characteristics of people unlike themselves to suit their own personal interests.
And here is another study showing that Achilles Tendon length is greater among elite Kenyan runners. The premise is that the longer achilles provides more elasticity (passive) energy so the muscles need to provide less energy. The first numbers column is Kenyans, the second is whites.
Achilles Length 264.2 mm 196.6 mm
And here is a different study showing that longer lower leg tendons correlated with better running economy.
http://sweatscience.com/tendon-length-joint-flexibility-and-running-economy/
Fisky, that study still suffers the same problem I just mentioned. It's another useful suggestion, but that's it, the data isn't worth anything.
To determine the genetics of running, you have to compare fast Kenyans to slow Kenyans (yes there are lots of them), and fast Europeans to slow Europeans. You have to control for all other variables first. THEN if you find traits that correlate with running - you can start contrasting Kenyans vs. Europeans based on those traits.
fisky wrote:
Achilles Length 264.2 mm 196.6 mm
http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/study-calves-of-elite-kenyan-runners-have-greater-elasticity
Are you serious? Horrible choice of a sample here:
10 Kenyan distance stars (living in and around Eldoret, Kenya) with 10 non-running whites of the same height.... The whites weighed almost 30 pounds more than the Kenyans, which is a confounding variable for some of the other findings.
very simple !!!!
like sprints give me a time where under would
be considered doping for marathon !
a european ,japanese and kenyan/ethipian time due to
lifestyle and altitude have to factor different times .
so kimetto is a doper ,simples .
and epo use has moved to marathon as where it still counts.
all about training maximising all fat and enzyme, lactate
systems and then rock up with high hct within range and go.
that at least extra 3 minutes due to doping . but with doping
like lance never know how much of a performance enhancement.
fisky wrote:
These Kenyan runners tend to have slim legs, with high calf muscles (a genetic trait), which is a very efficient anatomy for a runner.
Source:
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/aug/05/1
Vivian Parry is a journalist, not a scientist.
Umm, she wrote the story. She quotes several scientists in it. That's what good journalists do: quote the actual experts.
reading comp wrote:
It says 400 grams less right in the article and describes how added weight increases oxygen demand.
Would you like them to actually sever the lower legs to make sure they're not being dishonest in their weighing process?
It says 400 grams less "flesh". This does not account for bone mass and Africans tend to have a higher bone mineral density than Europeans. The authors have made anthropomorphic observations but with the evidence they present, they cannot prove that the differences in running characteristics of East Africans are largely due to genetic factors. Even the senior author of the study, Saltin, says "I 'think' it's genetic", so he is being cautious.
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