Marlon Bascombe Coach of Lean.Strong.Fast Suspected of Cheating for BQ

Scraping one time is not that hard:

https://github.com/cprior/lrc_rossi_scrapy/blob/master/README.md

Storing and correlating requires some more work. Hats off to doubler for that!

(I read logfiles for a living.)

Roberta Nester wrote:

Low moral code wrote:

Is your point that you personally feel it's ok to cheat if there is no financial gain? If so, do you mean only direct financial gain (prize money) or including indirect financial gain? For example, a person uses their accomplishments gained by cheating to self promote and make more money through that self promotion, is that ok?

No. It is not okay.

However, upon reading this thread, I noticed the OP stated he felt that it was okay to publicly out cheaters who gained financially from their BQ (coaches). I wS inquiring if this person made money from their cheating.

No he didn't. He said another cheat caught. He then did state that he believed as a coach Marlon should be held to a higher standard, but never mentioned money. He also specifically didn't say only chests benefiting financially should be outed.

Does Marlon make money from coaching? You must really hate the guy now huh? Terrible.

No

Doubler made a rant or two specifically going on about his criteria for publicly shaming/outing and financially profit was one or the criteria noted.

Then the thread degraded into arguing over whether Doubler was financially profiting on public shaming.

Why Doubler is now noting a bib# for somebody, if it is Doubler, which is the equivalent of a name to people on this site is beyond me. It seems people are leaping over each other to catch someone and now we are at speculation and accusation first then any explanation later.

Doubler did you make any reasonable attempt to contact that lady and seek explanation first before posting about her age? Doesn't seem like you could have had time to do so. Please tell us that you obtained age verification from the subject or offered her a reasonable chance to provide proof to you before you three her to the Letsrun wolves. Would'nt you like a chance to respond before your bib/name is thrown into the piranhas of Letsrun? You didn't bother? Say it isn't so Doubler. Say it isn't so.

Maybe she is guilty as hell but the process is crazy right now. Doubler admits holding back 47 names and now throws one out without any verification.

I am done with Doubler and these threads for awhile. Doubler I was admiring you, appreciating you, and feeling like a difference in the sport was possible. Now I am disillusioned and wondering at what cost.

It looks like the other Mike Rossi (not Rydal) other Marlon Bascombe (not lean fast strong) all get to pay an internet price as well. This is all a mess.

Doubler live long and prosper. Beware your power to do good does not do bad.

Well stated, my friend. I was one who actually helped him early on. Things started to get a little unsettling recently, so I backed out. I believe in stopping the cheating, but this is not the way to go about it.

Low reading skills wrote:

Roberta Nester wrote:

No. It is not okay.

However, upon reading this thread, I noticed the OP stated he felt that it was okay to publicly out cheaters who gained financially from their BQ (coaches). I wS inquiring if this person made money from their cheating.

No he didn't. He said another cheat caught. He then did state that he believed as a coach Marlon should be held to a higher standard, but never mentioned money. He also specifically didn't say only chests benefiting financially should be outed.

Does Marlon make money from coaching? You must really hate the guy now huh? Terrible.

May I suggest you read page 9 and get back to us.

I have no problem with what Doubler is doing. Presenting the evidence (every case has been pretty damning) and allowing the accused to respond.

The Mike Rossi thread, on the other hand, has gone way too far. Nobody doubts he cheated, cheated, what more do people hope to accomplish?

I get the feeling the Rossi thread is kept alive by people with a personal axe to grind (people other than Ken Stillman).

Or maybe Ken and Mike are secretly working together to get a reality show.

plaid pants wrote:

I have no problem with what Doubler is doing. Presenting the evidence (every case has been pretty damning) and allowing the accused to respond.

The Mike Rossi thread, on the other hand, has gone way too far. Nobody doubts he cheated, cheated, what more do people hope to accomplish?

I get the feeling the Rossi thread is kept alive by people with a personal axe to grind (people other than Ken Stillman).

Or maybe Ken and Mike are secretly working together to get a reality show.

I have no problem either. As long as the person is able to respond before accusations are made public. This did not happen in this latest case (not Malcomb).

Also, don't say you gojnd 400 cheaters and then only choose a couple to expose. It makes you look like you have an axe to grind or gives people reason to ask why only people of color have been chosen to be outed. (I'm not saying that doubler only outed people of color consciously, but it gives people ammunition when that is the case.

You realize no matter what I do it will be criticized.

If I name no one, if I name everyone. If I give a bib number, if I don't.

If I didn't give a bib number, the trolls would say I am full of crap.

Giving the bib number here is not going to put this to the top of google results.

Putting her name on my site would.

plaid pants wrote:

I get the feeling the Rossi thread is kept alive by people with a personal axe to grind (people other than Ken Stillman).

I peek in there every few weeks and maybe even post if there's something new, like the Ken Inside Edition thing or if a Brojo posts. But it's gone way past creepy. It's just the same insults over and over and over and over again. I think it really is 12 (probably not that many) basement trolls at this point like Mike says. I'm not sure that it's personal, I think it's just weirdos who can't let it go even though it was over months ago.

high reading skills wrote:

Low reading skills wrote:

No he didn't. He said another cheat caught. He then did state that he believed as a coach Marlon should be held to a higher standard, but never mentioned money. He also specifically didn't say only chests benefiting financially should be outed.

Does Marlon make money from coaching? You must really hate the guy now huh? Terrible.

May I suggest you read page 9 and get back to us.

The OP (call out cheats) doesn't post on page 9. May I suggest you actually read the OP (original post).

If you're referring to doubler - please show us where he says he will only write about cheats who profit.

I would be very offended if I was a client of Marlons. It's as if he's scamming me, getting me to pay for his service that's based on lies and fraudulent claims. I'm sure he has some good intentions with his personal training, but the lies tied in with providing a service just irk me the wrong way. I'd want my money back.

High on something wrote:

high reading skills wrote:

May I suggest you read page 9 and get back to us.

The OP (call out cheats) doesn't post on page 9. May I suggest you actually read the OP (original post).

If you're referring to doubler - please show us where he says he will only write about cheats who profit.

Doubler was the op posting under an alias. Not hard to figure out. As the poster, high reading skills' posted, it is on page 9.

Doubler wrote:

You realize no matter what I do it will be criticized.

If I name no one, if I name everyone. If I give a bib number, if I don't.

If I didn't give a bib number, the trolls would say I am full of crap.

Giving the bib number here is not going to put this to the top of google results.

Putting her name on my site would.

You just put everything out there to set it all in motion. Like Michael Corleone your hands are clean.

But you don't say it isn't so. You gave her no chance to address before you put it out there?

You break my heart Doubler. You were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy those that lack integrity and respect for others not join them! The one who was supposed to bring balance to qualification and integrity to Boston. How could you?

Hey, hey, hey, I thought you said you were leaving. Now move along while we dine on fresh meat.

Zach Brambley wrote:

Well stated, my friend. I was one who actually helped him early on. Things started to get a little unsettling recently, so I backed out.

I believe in stopping the cheating, but this is not the way to go about it.

There is actually no other method that has the remotest chance of getting anywhere.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Zach Brambley wrote:

Well stated, my friend. I was one who actually helped him early on. Things started to get a little unsettling recently, so I backed out.

I believe in stopping the cheating, but this is not the way to go about it.

There is actually no other method that has the remotest chance of getting anywhere.

We better all realize the extend of data scraping and analysis of that data that goes on in the intertubes.

All this is barely the surface.

I don't know if the OP was Doubler, it doesn't seem like it. I thought he was consistent at posting using his handle.

He doesn't say that he will limit who he outs to coaches, but he does seem to imply he will only out limited people and that coaches and those who profit will fit the criteria for who he outs.

From other posts - it sounds like he chooses those with a large amount of social media data that enables him to gather more information.

With regard to the potential age cheating - he hasn't used the word cheat. Looked like a quick potential example. That ones as easy to resolve, but I agree he should have left that out until he looked into it more. Too many cooks and Marlon defenders will jump all over her name - sacrifice her to get at doubler.

Btw - marathons are masochistic and running them is awful. I can't imagine how which marathon you run matters or what your personal time is can matter. You punish the hell out of yourself for 42km, that right there is personal. If you do that, really don't know why you think you needed to impress anyone but yourself, and you should have been impressed. Personally I pity cheaters because they miss the point, but they should rarely impact on anyone else. Maybe just out the ones that take awards, age group, etc.

Not sure why people are so soft on these cheating scumbags. If you run a race dishonestly, knowing your name, photos and results are going to be made public (meaning you don't own them), you risk getting DQd and ruining your reputation. You deserve every bit of scrutiny that comes your way. Being an attention whore is a double edged sword. You can't get upset when the bad stuff is exposed. If you care about that, you need to guard your reputation carefully instead of letting your narcissism guide you. And if you do get caught, you can still come clean and move on.

In these cases there is always collateral damage. No matter what doubler or any other whistleblower does they will be criticized. People are talking about a "better process", but there is no perfect one when it comes to these things. I believe in zero tolerance for this kind of crap. Those who cheat are putting their reputation and family name on the line. They see articles left and right and know it's just wrong.

Stop whining and let this guy blog whichever way he likes to. He's not doing anything illegal as far as I can see. My name was once associated with some other a$$hole's problem and somebody I know asked me if it was me. The answer was simply no. I don't have a problem with that, I'm a grown man.

What is the most pathetic way to cheat to a BQ?

1. Cut course.

2. Have a faster friend run for you.

3. Lie about age to qualify under easier standards.