Let's Hear it Now Olympic 10k Farah or Kamworor?

Metric Miler wrote:

glob wrote:

It wasn't hot, humid, or fast.

Yes, it was. 3rd fastest WC 10k in history. Are you understanding that? Commentators repeatedly said it was hot and humid that night. Unless you were there running you have no grounds on which to disagree.

"3rd fastest WC 10k in history" is not a time. Are you understanding that? It was an OK pace, but it was not fast.

No, I do have grounds to disagree. There is this thing called a weather report. I also heard reports from people that were there. Commentators saying it was "hot" and "humid" is meaningless. "Hot" and "humid" are not numbers.

Hard to tell wrote:

Farah has plenty of natural speed dude, and 1500m is mainly an aerobic event remember.

He can run a very good 1500m off pure endurance and maybe 2 weeks of speedwork oriented training.

Also 3:28:81 by the way. I also think that a guy like Gebremeskel can probably run something similar to that. And he's the 5th all time for 5km.

Nice username by the way, reflects your personality.

No, Farah does not run 3:28 off of only 2 weeks of speed training. They do speed work all year. Farah best event is the 1500. He is a 1500 runner that takes advantage of a weak 5k/10k era.

How does "idoot" reflect my personality? It's not even a word. Try reading better next time.

Hard to tell wrote:

The guy has plenty of speed and can run very fast if he needs to.

It's easier to develop endurance than speed so he got lucky in that aspect and of course he also has natural endurance.

Speed is not easier or harder to develop than endurance.

Metric Miler wrote:

glob wrote:

It wasn't hot, humid, or fast.

Yes, it was. 3rd fastest WC 10k in history. Are you understanding that? Commentators repeatedly said it was hot and humid that night. Unless you were there running you have no grounds on which to disagree.

Just to reiterate, 3rd fastest 10k in WC history (so the Kenyans did try and make it fast), average temperature for August 22nd in Beijing is 31°C and average humidity is 94%. I don't know the exact temperature and humidity that night, but it was hot, and humid, as has been reported by pretty much every news source.

And to the guy that said heat doesn't affect the 10k, grow a braincell. Heat regulation is one of the reasons distance runners have a physique as they do.

ventolin^3 wrote:

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not too shabby set of potential 1500/2k/3k/5k for a guy who doesn't even train for them...[/quote]

So you've proven yourself wrong. Farah's PR is 3:28. You've just shown that his 10k time must be nowhere near 26:10 or 26:20. Good job debunking yourself.

is this a joke !

from just joining sal to 5y later, you didn't think he improved over 10k ???

do you follow the sport ?

they were virtually identical times

in 1st he got decent drafting & was worth 3'28-low perfect race

in 2nd he got crap drafting, worth 3'27-flat if he got perfect race/drafting

he improved his intrinsic 1500 by nearly 1.5s in 2y

no

you didn't

very likely due to being in heavy training with no rest for race &/or illness

no

he was running 10k there not a mile

i go suggest you see what his last 1600 was in peking

no

you used a meaningless mile race as evidence of 10k shape

no

it wasn't

the peking stadium is a very enclosed stadium with very little wind at ground level

go fetch some wind readings for the day...

nonsense

it was 81F with 60% humidity

that humidity doesn't allow the sweat to evaporate to cool runner down, so slow build up of internal heat

if you don't think excess heat/humidity doesn't low a 10k, then you have no clue about the sport

Metric Miler wrote:

Just to reiterate, 3rd fastest 10k in WC history (so the Kenyans did try and make it fast), average temperature for August 22nd in Beijing is 31°C and average humidity is 94%. I don't know the exact temperature and humidity that night, but it was hot, and humid, as has been reported by pretty much every news source.

And to the guy that said heat doesn't affect the 10k, grow a braincell. Heat regulation is one of the reasons distance runners have a physique as they do.

Stop reiterating it. It's wrong. Running the 3rd fastest 10k wc time doesn't mean they tried to make it fast. You're looking at a statistic instead of looking at the actual time. 27:00 is not fast.

Average temperature is not the question. What was the ACTUAL temperature on that day? Pretty much every news source did not report that it was too hot and humid for a 10k. You just made that up. Why lie?

Heat regulation has nothing to do with runner physiques. Runner physiques are due to training, calorie expenditure, and diet. Your body does not change shape based on temperature.

Internal heating from 80 degree weather has no proven effect on a 10k. That humidity affecting evaporation idea makes no sense. Where do you think all of that sweat goes? It falls off. It doesn't need to evaporate.

If Rupp's slow mile was due to sickness/injury, why couldn't his 27:08 be due to sickness or injury? You're not being reasonable.

Farah did not have 5 years of uninterrupted training. His training was indeed interrupted several times because he got sick, had to to recover from a marathon, and switch he'd the focus of his training from speed to endurance several times. This is straight from Salazar so don't deny it. If you are unaware of this then it is YOU who doesn't know or follow this sport.

Once again, Farah had 2 years of training and his 1500 did not improve. It got worse by a fraction of a second. So if 2 years didn't produce a positive change, why would 5?

idoot wrote:So you've proven yourself wrong. Farah's PR is 3:28

can't you read ???

those estimates were for Kamwo

You've just shown that his 10k time must be nowhere near 26:10 or 26:20

wrong guy

Good job debunking yourself

learn to read

Kamwo

ventolin^3 wrote:

idoot wrote:So you've proven yourself wrong. Farah's PR is 3:28

can't you read ???

those estimates were for Kamwo

You've just shown that his 10k time must be nowhere near 26:10 or 26:20

wrong guy

Good job debunking yourself

learn to read

Kamwo

Well, excuse me then. It has nothing to do with me learning how to read. You didn't say those were for Kamwo. I think you should learn to write instead of me learning how to read.

What's funny is how that 4-way competition for bronze was the typical Mo Farah race and he finally kicked that Ethiopian for third. Of course Kam and Karoki would've been in that unenviable position if they hadn't pushed the pace and taken themselves out of that mess. And it worked. Sit and kick didn't. How can people still wonder about tactics in Rio?

idoot wrote:He is a 1500 runner that takes advantage of a weak 5k/10k era

no

do you have a clue about the sport ???

what part of 6 men < 12'50 in paris-'12 you not comprehend ???

what part of Kamwo/Krokey exhibiting huge WR ability today do you think think precludes them from epic 10k times if in zurich, smoothly paced to 5k ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

idoot wrote:He is a 1500 runner that takes advantage of a weak 5k/10k era

no

do you have a clue about the sport ???

what part of 6 men < 12'50 in paris-'12 you not comprehend ???

what part of Kamwo/Krokey exhibiting huge WR ability today do you think think precludes them from epic 10k times if in zurich, smoothly paced to 5k ???

Yes, I have a clue about the sport. They ran sub 12:50 in one race. What did they run in other races? These guys aren't brave, racing wisely, or performing consistently. If you had a clue about the sport then you would know this.

El Keniano wrote:

Kam will smoke Mo in Rio and I'll tell you why: because Karoki will take it faster than any championship 10k you've ever seen and Mo will have to work very hard to hang in there.

Rio predictions: Gold- Kam, Silver - Karoki, Bronze - Mo/Tanui

Just you wait.

El Keniano,

I am with you.

"The rat has figured out his (Mo's) trap".

Bedan and probably Tanui ( I hope Tanui makes the team) will take it out 'like the devil'.

They have renewed confidence and Mo farah has for the first time had doubts in hsi mind.

He was wondering - at the 5k mark or so, whether these guys would sustain it and they did sustain their own assault on him.

Mo was discombobulated. The body image after crossing the line speaks volumes about his entire physiological and psychological set up . He was a beaten man!

He said personally that kamworor can break the world record.

So, come Rio, Karoki adn probably Paul will take it out like their lives depend on it.............like bats from hell.

This is what we all live for as running fans. It'll be one hell of a mouth watering act.

Farah will have a lot of thinking to do and with only four months, he has to get it right or else.

no

you don't

why didn't you say

"this was an era where 6 guys ran 12'46/12'47/12'48/12'49, but it is weak era"

???

laughable

if a guy once in his life ran

12'46/12'47/12'48/12'49

that's all it takes to gain utter respect

so what ???

they can point to

12'46/12'47/12'48/12'49

for eternity

utter nonsense

do you have any clue about the level of talent required to run

12'46/12'47/12'48/12'49

especially seeing it was still a tactical race but koech decided to make some semi-serious pace in 4th k rather than let it collapse with usual 2'42+, ???

you really need a

hugely bigger boat

81F

at start

clueless

did you even watch the race with volume on ???

were you listening to commentators ???

no

he didn't

you wouda known this if you watched it with volume on

he didn't

nonsense

how many tall bulky guys have gone < 27 ???

i can think of solinsky

who else ???

physics/evolution favors guys with largest surface area/volume area to dissipate heat

that means

- power-runts like geb/kennster

- stick men of any reasonable height such as tergat, mo, most kenyans

yes

now

how many tall bulky guys have run < 27 ???

but it dictates your best distance

how many tall bulky guys < 27 ???

I think you have a reading problem. Nothing you said counters any of the points I made. Try again.

glob wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Just to reiterate, 3rd fastest 10k in WC history (so the Kenyans did try and make it fast), average temperature for August 22nd in Beijing is 31°C and average humidity is 94%. I don't know the exact temperature and humidity that night, but it was hot, and humid, as has been reported by pretty much every news source.

And to the guy that said heat doesn't affect the 10k, grow a braincell. Heat regulation is one of the reasons distance runners have a physique as they do.

Stop reiterating it. It's wrong. Running the 3rd fastest 10k wc time doesn't mean they tried to make it fast. You're looking at a statistic instead of looking at the actual time. 27:00 is not fast.

That's cute. 27:00 not fast! Only on Letsrun, folks.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Your body does not change shape based on temperature

but it dictates your best distance

how many tall bulky guys < 27 ???

No. Temperature has nothing to do with it. You just proved it by mentioning Solinsky. Congratulations for disproving your own statements.

Tall bulky guys don't run under 27 because they are not fit enough. Has nothing to do with heat regulation. It has to do with training and calorie expenditure. People sweat.