Penn State 4 x 800m best ever in NCAA?

Your disputing of these facts are undeniable! Data helps. I am far too lazy to look it up and don't even remember the year.

This is not new. Each year guys PR at UW, ND, & other places indoor that they don't approach outdoor. I remember UK's "potential 7:05" as predicted by some as running a bunch of 1:49 - 1:52 outdoor. There was an exception or two, but I think only one of those guys ran faster than indoor. By SEC, they were pretty much forgotten as a mid-distance team. Indoor tracks are so fast that they are no longer an indicator of big things to come, but more the pinnacle in itself with most struggling to duplicate the times outdoor.

I have been thinking PSU would be favored at Penn, but after seeing Oregon this weekend, it's hard to see how anyone beats them if they have anyone decent to go with Wheating, Fleet, and Greer (assuming they run at Penn). I can't see anyone closing faster than Wheating. There may be 4 or 5 teams that could win Penn in a normal year. Should be (in the words of Dick Vitale) awesome, baby!

except that Oregon ducks penn (pun intended, hee hee hee).

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plus Lionel has run faster if I'm not mistaken. and borchers, if firing on all cylinders could have played into this mix maybe... a 401 freshman.

And a 4:16 junior. Hes done.

Could see him breakin' 4:05 again before its all said and done, but yea proly never back to sub-four shape.

Did Ore. go to penn last year? I dont think so.

Did you not see the post 3 above yours? Your point was made.

OJ wrote:

Did Ore. go to penn last year? I dont think so.

Never Know wrote:

Could see him breakin' 4:05 again before its all said and done, but yea proly never back to sub-four shape.

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Your disputing of these facts are undeniable! Data helps. I am far too lazy to look it up and don't even remember the year.

This is not new. Each year guys PR at UW, ND, & other places indoor that they don't approach outdoor. I remember UK's "potential 7:05" as predicted by some as running a bunch of 1:49 - 1:52 outdoor. There was an exception or two, but I think only one of those guys ran faster than indoor. By SEC, they were pretty much forgotten as a mid-distance team. Indoor tracks are so fast that they are no longer an indicator of big things to come, but more the pinnacle in itself with most struggling to duplicate the times outdoor.

Ever year guys hit their peak during indoor season and don't perform the same in outdoor and it has absolutely nothing to do with the tracks.

You're drawing random conclusions.

exactly... i stopped listening to him after he said he's far too lazy to look up the facts.

its probably the same kid who was incorrectly bashing matt lincoln, and then linc jumped on the boards and owned him. it was classic

Did anyone read The Week That Was? I gotta say the brojos are correct.

LRC wrote:

PSU is very good, but it's mighty early in 2010. If someone would assure us that all the big dogs would show up at Penn (namely Oregon, UVA and all of the redshirted UConn guys), we'd put the odds that PSU even wins Penn Relays outdoors at below 50%. We're not even sure if PSU would beat Oregon right now, as the Ducks would have Wheating on the anchor and leadoff legs are often tactical.

Admittedly Oregon is a big IF but i agree. Oregon over PSU.

I'm not going to argue with you (imagine that on LetsRun!), but that's the kind of race I would love to see. Bring them all on.

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Sorry kids! I'm old enough to remember when 1:48/4:03 on an indoor track meant 1:46/3:58 was coming outdoor. It is no longer that way and I believe the oversized tracks are a big part, both by offering an advantage and by enticing runners to peak in February.

I was "too lazy" to look up the disputed facts that another poster spewed. If he/she wants that information, they can look it up themselves. I stand by the fact that a 4 X 800 time indoor no longer predicts 'best ever' outdoor as some are suggesting. I still am pulling for PSU to knock it out of the park indoor and out. I like to see people run fast!

If PSU were to break the 7:11 Franklin Field record - held by PSU from 1985 - that would be pretty insane. However, it looks like Oregon has the Penn Relays on their official schedule . . . this could be quite a race.