Penn State 4 x 800m best ever in NCAA?

Sick team indeed, but adding up PRs almost never gives a realistic relay time.

Can Oregon field a 4 x 800 that could compete with that?

Yesterday, Wheating ran 1:46.36 and Greer ran 1:47.33.

I think Fleet could run 1:49 or so, and I bet they could round up one other that could challenge PSU.

7:05? is that a serious question

Let's see what they can do outdoor without the aid of the indoor trampolines and fixed weather conditions. The same discussion took place a few years ago with Kentucky's 800 runners. Of the 7 or 8 under 1:50 indoor, only 2 broke 1:50 outdoor. Those are outstanding indoor times, but with the current facilities they no longer relate to faster times outdoor, but many times much slower. I wish them well and it will be fun to follow their progress.

coopington wrote:

Can Oregon field a 4 x 800 that could compete with that?

Yesterday, Wheating ran 1:46.36 and Greer ran 1:47.33.

I think Fleet could run 1:49 or so, and I bet they could round up one other that could challenge PSU.

And of course, everyone forgets about UConn.

They ran 7:20 indoors last year, then redshirted guys outdoors. They bring everyone back, including two of the guys who ran 1:46 last year.

And of course, there's UVa. Robby Andrews went 1:48.02 last night, with another guy under 1:50. A third guy (normally a steepler) went 1:50+.

George Mason in 1996 had 4 guys run these times in the same race (outdoors):

Achon- 1:44.55 (NCAA in season record)

Morgan - 1:45.58

Aden - 1:46.44

Arpasi - 1:46.85

That adds up to 7:03.42

I believe they ran 7:14 at Penn

Salandro wrote:

Penn State has an amazing 800m team this year obviously, especially after the Husky Invitational performances. Their top 4 runners:

Ryan Foster 1:47.32

Owen Dawson 1:47.77

Casimir Loxsom 1:47.98

Lionel Williams 1:50.15

This combines to a 4x800m relay of 7:13.22, which would actually eclipse the indoor world record of 7:13.94 set in 2000

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/records/inout=i/discType=5/disc=4X8/detail.html

It's unfortunate they won't get an opportunity to run this relay indoors, I'm assuming. In decent conditions, they should have no problem breaking their own Penn Relays record (7:11.17, 1985), and the collegiate record (7:08.96, Arizona State, 1984) could be challenged by them on an outdoor track. How low can this squad go? Is 7:05 within reach?

Congrats to Penn State.

The track at UW needs to be examined. Too many questions coming out of that facility.

Ess Gee Ess wrote:

The track at UW needs to be examined. Too many questions coming out of that facility.

Fortunately one of them isn't "how did PSU run so fast?"

Since Foster and Dawson's times were only slightly faster than what they've already run this season on a 200m track with a curb.

An indoor world record partly headlined by a D3 runner, like the recent world best indoor DMR. Babies indeed!

Hm I guess Penn State isn't that special then. What race was this? Shame they underachieved so much. Were the conditions poor? Was there no competition close to 7:10? Seems like they could have challenged the world record of 7:02.xx if a professional 4 x 800m team, say team Nike or Oregon Track Club or team Kenya, was racing against them and ran ~ 7:05 or something like that. Shame to hear that squad didn't run better as a group.

I'm referring to toro's post on George Mason by the way

What happened to the pot head, over hyped runner, and waste of talent runner name Sam Borchers.....

They have a couple more right behind at 1:50 to 1:51. Getting all 4 to run their best in the same race is very rare indeed. Looking forward to Penn this year where the concentration is put on the 4 X 800 at the expense of everything else. It's been 25 years since a freshman, a sophomore, a junior and a senior all ran their best on the same day.

http://psutafalumnigolf.blogspot.com/2010/01/25th-anniversary-of-race.html

no offense skiwilli, but I don't think I've seen a post of yours in the past month or two without that link.

We know, Penn State ran awesome 25 years ago. With a freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and a senior.

We know.

Sorry for the offense. Got a few PSU alums interested in our reunion to honor Coach Groves' 80th birthday this May, so its worth pissing off a few people. It's sort of like the Geico commercials and I'm the Cave Man. I know. I know...

very very solid

Mason won Penn that year but ran tactically, especially in the first and anchor legs.

Achon anchored conservatively after getting a decent lead over Marco Koers of Illinois. He kicked over the last 200 to pull away but split 1:48.

Also April is a bit early to peak and each leg is not rabbited like the race they ran a couple weeks later.

banned word wrote:

Ess Gee Ess wrote:

The track at UW needs to be examined. Too many questions coming out of that facility.

Fortunately one of them isn't "how did PSU run so fast?"

Since Foster and Dawson's times were only slightly faster than what they've already run this season on a 200m track with a curb.

Don't be so defensive. PSU ran great.

There are issues with Dempsey as to whether it's a viable facility or even legal with the curb issues.

plus Lionel has run faster if I'm not mistaken. and borchers, if firing on all cylinders could have played into this mix maybe... a 401 freshman.