Dibaba says F*CK YOU Qu Yunxia, runs 3:50 WR

Intriguing wrote:

Has anybody noticed no other competitors congratulate Dibaba after races? I noticed it in the 5k the other night and again tonight the only people who really congratulate her are the pace makers. Does make me wonder if they know something the general public don't?

Take into comparison the amount of congratulations that people like Kiprop got after his race and the fact Dibaba just beat a well known world record run by the Chinese when on drugs and it does make you wonder if something isn't quite...or perhaps I'm just cynical about T&F more now since Gatlin is still running ridiculous time whilst now 'clean'.

You talk of Dibaba?

You should have seen the steeplechase ladies. None of them even looked at Gharibi the Algerian. They were stunned!

She comes in, runs and gets a world leading time.

Personally, I vouched for marion jones's "cleanliness" and burnt my fingers.

So, I will not vouch for anyone.

Just watched the race on the late showing of the meet.

That was the best race I've ever seen live. Just watching Dibaba at the end here on replay.....I don't think anyone here thought she'd actually break the f-ing WOULD RECORD today! I can't even believe it. She can break 3:50! I won't be happy till she has the 5,000 and 10,000M WRs, too! I think 8:06 might be out of her reach, but then again, I never thought she'd get the 3:50 WR before the 5,000M one.

She HAS to run the 1,500 at World's...I mean, she absolutely DESTROYED the best runners in the world. She's the most talented female runner I've ever seen race. Hell, she's my favorite runner in the world now.

Rowbury dominated, too. I mean, 3:56?! Was her PR 3:59 before? I adore Jenny Simpson, but Rowbury getting that AR has to sting!

So glad I watched tonight!!!

julsome wrote:

That was pretty amazing to watch. Dibaba looked amazing. Props to Hassan for going with her. Rowbury had a great finish. Simpson hasn't looked like herself the past two races down the stretch, wonder what gives.

Simpson trained into top shape weeks ago in an attempt to have a really great year. Gutsy, but with a risk of peaking early and not being able to hold the peak. Will be interesting to see how the season plays out.

CDA wrote:

I like to move it move it wrote:

I am sorry there is NO WAY that she's clean. NO ONE looks this energized after running a major PR. You may be excited, but you're exhausted.

Just watch the end of the race video and you'll see.

https://youtu.be/SjOrUCGNhpI

Did you not see her knees buckle and almost trip after crossing the line?

This logic makes no sense anyway... She is not the first to be jumping up and down after breaking a world record on the track.

I thought the logic was always, "If they don't celebrate, they are doped."

Now someone celebrates and they are doped.

A guy called me after the race to talk about doping. I was like, "3:50 may be a shocking number to you but for 1 decade I've always wondered, why aren't there regularly at least 3:50 low times consideiring how many women can run under 14:30?"

I said that and "I thougth her reaction to the world record was the best part. If you are looking for totally unscientific, stupid reasons to believe she's clean, I thought her reaction was great . She celebrated like I would have if I'd done it."

Does anyone remember when the Kenyan men were 'bad at the marathon?' Now it's their best event.

An agent once told me about Ethiopians and mid-d, "the coaches just don't know how to do it."

So now coaching is worldwide and good. The times should come down.

Does that mean she's clean? No. But I'm just offering up arguments. It amazes me that so many people are just shocked by the time.

Hello? Have you guys been watching the sport for the last 20 years. Look at how much the top African women kill the top American women in the 5000. It's TOTAL destruction. Simpson got the hell out of the steeple because she couldn't compete. Simpson wasn't naturally a 1500 runner. She moved down because she was relatively great at it.

Guess what? Dibaba is doing the same thing. Training like a distance runner and rocking the 1500.

We've always said "Strength = speed."

grumblets tra la la wrote:

bt overdrive wrote:

I just find it really intersting that all the athletes under coach jama aden are getting pbs, sbs, and other records.

Either he is a really good coach or.....

At least the chinese wr went down.

The same guy who used to coach Taoufik Makhloufi.

As one guy told me, the key word could be \'used.\'

Look, I don\'t know much about the group. BUt have you considered this idea?

It sounds like you think Mak daddy is dirty. So he\'s dirty and perhaps Aden found out about it and kicked him out - that\'s why he\'s a former member of the group.

I\'m just throwing it out there - sort of like why Welsey Keating left UT austin.

GoldenMiles wrote:

Just watched the race on the late showing of the meet.

That was the best race I've ever seen live.

So you watched the replay of the race but now are talking about watching it live?? What does that mean??

Did you tape it and watch it not knowing the results? Because if you just watched it, it wasn't live.

But yet, that one was SO FUN to watch.

It wasn't overly hyped. It was just a great buildup. SHe ran 354 in a podunk race. Wow. Then we hear she says she felt comfortable. That was only yesterday. I thought I was going out on a limb saying she'd run 352.

Amazing run.

Someone complained about the rabbiting. I thought it was pretty good. Price slowed her down a bit but that's the way Kiprop likes to run it. Out hard, coast, then hammer.

vcxvx wrote:

Marta L wrote:

I do think it's possible that Jenny B's 3:56 is a clean world record. Unfortunately there's no recognition for this.

Too fast -> doping. Nice logic there. Time to quit this sport.

Who is Jenny B? I assume it's some american who you think is the best. Obviously an american should hold the WR instead of an african.

Of course. We can´t have primitive African niggas beating clean, white runners!

So you´re saying that it´s impossible to beat doped athletes. Good luck with the rest of your life in the asylum for mentally challenged.

Was Hicham El Gerrouj doped?

His best is 3:26.00 and he owns seven of the eight best times.

Dibaba's time brings the difference between the male and female lead in line with other distances of around 10.5%. 3:50.07 v 3:26.00.

The previous best time that was semi-recent was still from a long time ago, 12 years back by Turkish athlete Süreyya Ayhan-Kop, she ran 3:55.33, which makes for a 12.5-ish % difference - I am doing the math wrong, but it is roughly correct.

Reminds me of the Radcliffe's marathon performance, which everyone was shocked about, but at the end of the the day, the men have now caught up to Radcliffe. So is Kimetto and company doped?

World records for women and men don't happen at the same time, it's random.

The reason the Chinese were suspect is due to the fact that it was in China and out of nowhere several world lead times top-3 in a row took place, sorta behind the iron curtain, but the Great Wall or something....one offs that never happened before or after.

The Dibaba family has a tonne of talent. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't, but her performance according to Gerrouj's time isn't an outlier.

So was Gerrouj doped? I don't know, John Walker was nearly as good and was a working stiff with no entourage of medical staff, he wasn't doped.

[quote]Athletics Illustrated wrote:

Was Hicham El Gerrouj doped?

-------------------------------------------

Yes & I would put big money on it

Dunkenfeld wrote:

I like to move it move it wrote:

I am sorry there is NO WAY that she's clean. NO ONE looks this energized after running a major PR. You may be excited, but you're exhausted.

Just watch the end of the race video and you'll see.

https://youtu.be/SjOrUCGNhpI

Have to say I agree. Classic PED symptoms.

I sometimes wonder if people like you guys have ever even watched running. That is your logic. Sorry, but 14:15 runner (really she's better than that as she just sat most of the race) will totally look fresh finishing a pr shorter distance race. Elite runners can always make things look easier. It's part of why you suck and they don't.

Now she may be a cheater, but that ain't the smoking gun.

rojo wrote:

GoldenMiles wrote:

Just watched the race on the late showing of the meet.

That was the best race I've ever seen live.

So you watched the replay of the race but now are talking about watching it live?? What does that mean??

Did you tape it and watch it not knowing the results? Because if you just watched it, it wasn't live.

But yet, that one was SO FUN to watch.

It wasn't overly hyped. It was just a great buildup. SHe ran 354 in a podunk race. Wow. Then we hear she says she felt comfortable. That was only yesterday. I thought I was going out on a limb saying she'd run 352.

Amazing run.

Someone complained about the rabbiting. I thought it was pretty good. Price slowed her down a bit but that's the way Kiprop likes to run it. Out hard, coast, then hammer.

Live was a bit of a misnomer. I got caught up in the moment.

I get whatever channel they showed it on (BeIN Sports?) and watched the 8PM (Western time) showing of it. Definitely avoided coming on here for fear of being spoiled. So glad I watched it. Best distance race I've seen since the 2012 Olympic 800M, and this was a far crazier one (or at least equal), because no one's come even CLOSE to any of those Chinese times till Dibaba came along. I just about lost my mind seeing how far ahead she was given how fast everyone else was running. An unreal performance.

Look at her gene pool. How is it that hard to believe?

Based her 1500m time and her near WR performance over 5000m one can only conclude that the 3000m WR held by another Chinese girl will go as well. In the men s event the WR holder gave up around 11 seconds or so on his 1500m PB per 1500m. 3.29/7.20 so Dibaba with her endurance and strength could be on for 8.03 or somewhere around there, inside the 8.06 WR held by Wang Junxia .

racist alert wrote:

vcxvx wrote:

Too fast -> doping. Nice logic there. Time to quit this sport.

Who is Jenny B? I assume it's some american who you think is the best. Obviously an american should hold the WR instead of an african.

Of course. We can´t have primitive African niggas beating clean, white runners!

By the way, how the f*ck does he know if Simpson is clean? That's right, he doesnt know! I assume she is and in fact, assume everyone is until reasonable and legitimate evidence is presented that they are not.

Great race by Dibaba. Her 5K time indicates that she is capable of this time.

Looking at those photos, it is clear Dibaba has the best runner's body compared to the others. Bet she is superior to them in all aspects, right down to the mitochondria.

Does Kazankina have an Adam's Apple? Sure looks like it.

beyond dirty......

And you say that IGF-1 lr3 is not the best

ped to hit sport not just athletics ever.

speed on tap.

And to think that the chinese had to take epo and then bag blood on top of that to get such unnaturally high hematocrits

for women, just like paula .

previous records all about endurance and

reason beatable now because lacked speed .as women just lack speed in comparison to men at distance by nature.

chinese pissed now that just shuffled

around track ,no attention to form.

3000m record will be close but extra endurance might be problem

5000m obviously go whenever at peak cycle again.

10000m just to much endurance needed

Leaving aside the "new" women's events (HT, PV, TJ, JT(new impl.), 5k, Mar, St, 400H) in fact this was the first women's athletics world record in Olympic events for 22 years. Leaving aside also the very curious "chinese" WRs (for the circumstances: most of the sub 3:55 athletes in the 1500m for ex. don't even have another sub 4:05 and so on) this was the first women's WR since Florence Griffith-Joyner in Seoul 1988. For the big majority of the posters in this forum it definitely was the first WR for which they had the chance to see live!

What a race this was! Going into the last lap I still tought she will miss by at least 1 second. But what a finish. When she crossed the line I was shouting - can't remember when i did this last time because of an athletics achievement!

She should be able to break the 5000m WR by big margin. In the years to come probably also the 10000m WR if she concentrates on it. I still have doubts for the 3000m WR - but so I have had for the 1500m one. But 8:06.11 is a better mark than 3:50.46. In the 800m she must be easily capable of sub 1:56 - the question is: by how much?

Yes, all of this sounds too much. But it also should be added that the level for women's 1500m running really was relatively low for many years. And that the likes of Tiruneshh Dibaba and Meseret Defar really havn't gone for the 10000m WR at all. There should be many sub 29:45 times on the list. They definitely also have had the potential to run easily sub 3:55 for 1500m.

Her Ethiopian gene pool has not been sufficiently tested yet. In Kenya, dozens of dopers have been caught during the last years, after Kenyan officials were forced to implement more strict doping controls.

The companies of Rosa, Hermens et co. have been operating in East Africa for 20 years already. Now Kenyans finally discover America!

Where are all those clowns, who laughed to me, when I said that doping in Kenya and Ethiopia was rampant?