I like to move it move it wrote:
I am sorry there is NO WAY that she's clean. NO ONE looks this energized after running a major PR. You may be excited, but you're exhausted.
Just watch the end of the race video and you'll see.
https://youtu.be/SjOrUCGNhpI
Have to say I agree. Classic PED symptoms.
Tragic? Sad?
That won't be my reaction when Alberto and his boys get smacked with the banhammer. Only one thing on the track would make me happier than seeing the fat Bekele get his gold medal, and that would be for Leo to get his.
Everyone who runs for a suspect coach is suspect. Deal with it. I don't hope everyone fails. Just the NOP. I can't stand any of them, or their defenders.
+1
Watcher of Race wrote:
My thoughts:
1) I want Dibaba to be clean, but everything is up for speculation. To crush it with a big mistake in pace-making is an added consideration. She is pretty but not like her sister ;)
2) I don't want Rowbury to be clean, hope she and everyone else at the NOP is busted soon, and angry that Simpson didn't beat her.
3) Who the hell let the sprinters warm up in lane 3 while there's a world record being run? Ridiculous.
4) I love the 'Jo's but assuming Dibaba's clean would be wrong considering their stance on other athletes. She dropped her PR by fully 4 seconds tonight ... We'll see.
You are a small and Bitter little person. You want Rowbury to be dirty? You WANT that??? That's sick!!! Sick because if she isnt dirty, and I don't believe she is, Then that means you can't be excited for her success...Because your pissed at Alberto or Galen?? What gives?? and Pace making wasn't too far off BTW. It wasn't "a big mistake".
And don't forget, Dibaba is a recent 14:15 5000 runner. She is very strong and fit. Rowbury never ran with that ability and she was capable of running 3:56 today. Simpson by comparison has only been a 14:56 5000 runner and yet she peeled off a season's best at 3:57.3. Why is is so incredible to see a 14:15 5000m runner who has demonstrated 3:54 capability at 1500, to be able to run it faster? Different worlds talent wise. Dibaba doesn't run the 1500 often enough to have a solid gauge on her capabilities. Get Real!!
Someone should make a video compilation of athletes looking barely tired after demolishing the competition (Mack-Daddy, Farah, the girl today, ect). I'm surprised these athletes don't at least pretend to be out of breath.
I like to move it move it wrote:
I am sorry there is NO WAY that she's clean. NO ONE looks this energized after running a major PR. You may be excited, but you're exhausted.
Just watch the end of the race video and you'll see.
https://youtu.be/SjOrUCGNhpI
Did you not see her knees buckle and almost trip after crossing the line?
This logic makes no sense anyway... She is not the first to be jumping up and down after breaking a world record on the track.
yah duh jewelie wrote:
julsome wrote:She ran well. But the final 50-100 is usually where she shuts down competitors. Instead, she got well beaten by Rowbury, who was a step behind her with 100 to go and beat her by a second.
Not a surprise considering Simpson was essentially the rabbit for Rowbury the first 1400 meters.
Ok fine, sure but that is always the case with Simpson and Rowbury and Simpson has beaten Rowbury the last I don't know how many times. I also find this race strategy of Rowbury's annoying but that's not the point. I'm wondering if Simpson has run slower down the stretch the last two races and if so, why? It may just be because they are putting in another training block before World's and she isn't as sharp. But I'm still curious as it is uncharacteristic for her to have a weaker last 50 than Rowbury.
I guess the discovered the turtle soup diet.....
Marta L wrote:
Really surreal to watch this.
Still can't comprehend how anyone could find this legitimate. This was shades of Ben Johnson, FloJo, Johnson, Ramzi, Centro...
Those cheering for the removal of the Chinese records are idiots. A doped-up 3:50 replacing another doped-up 3:50 is not a victory. Fenton made himself look like an ass.
I do think it's possible that Jenny B's 3:56 is a clean world record. Unfortunately there's no recognition for this.
I know. Almost as outlandish as Rupp winning an Olympic medal in the 10K or as Yager going sub 8 in the steeple.
Tatyana Kazankina 3:52 Russia
http://www.sportquick.com/photos/Docimages1/62/62092.jpg
*Her career came to an abrupt end in September 1984 when she was suspended for 18 months for refusing to undertake a drugs test after winning a 1,500m race in 3:58.63 in Paris.
Qu Yunxia 3:50.46 China
http://www.greatestsportingnation.com/sites/default/files/images/attached/qu-yunxia.jpg
*Ma's Army - "Chinese caterpillar fungus and turtle blood"
Ma Junren: "There have been suggestions that he has employed performance enhancing drugs as part of his training regime. He has strongly denied this, although 6 of his athletes were among 27 competitors dropped from China's team for the Sydney Olympic games after failing blood tests. As a result he was dropped as a coach from the Chinese Olympic team. Following this episode, he and his entire team of athletes disappeared for several months, fueling further suspicion.
The next three fastest marks were all held by Chinese women who were all members of Ma's Army. (Bo Jiang 3:50.98, Yinglai Lang 3:51.34 and Junxia Wang 3:51.92)
Genzebe Dibaba 3:50.07 Ethiopia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Genzebe_Dibaba_by_Augustas_Didzgalvis.jpg
So what some of you are saying is that a clean Dibaba is 2 seconds faster than known drug cheats! LOL ... Just like a clean Lance Armstrong was able to whip legions of doped cyclists ... SEVEN TIMES. Bahahaha!!!!!
Cheers!
-AW
Dude that picture of Dibaba is clearly from 2014 world indoors (in Sopot, Poland) when she won a tactical race. Not from a world record performance. Being this jaded without evidence and manipulating information like this makes track less fun. This kind of crap is my biggest problem with this message board.
Dunkenfeld wrote:
I like to move it move it wrote:I am sorry there is NO WAY that she's clean. NO ONE looks this energized after running a major PR. You may be excited, but you're exhausted.
Just watch the end of the race video and you'll see.
https://youtu.be/SjOrUCGNhpIHave to say I agree. Classic PED symptoms.
Good grief, drugs or not I don't understand how people finish a PR race and then immediately jump around in excitement. I'm on the ground or about to pass out with my hands on my knees thinking "ow, why I'm still in such excruciating pain?" for about 45sec.
Wanna be fast guy wrote:
Dunkenfeld wrote:Have to say I agree. Classic PED symptoms.
Good grief, drugs or not I don't understand how people finish a PR race and then immediately jump around in excitement. I'm on the ground or about to pass out with my hands on my knees thinking "ow, why I'm still in such excruciating pain?" for about 45sec.
I had a few good races in college. The really good races always felt easy and I had plenty of energy after the PRs that won conference or got me to NCAAs. It was the bad races that seemed to feel like crap afterwards.
bt overdrive wrote:
I just find it really intersting that all the athletes under coach jama aden are getting pbs, sbs, and other records.
Either he is a really good coach or.....
At least the chinese wr went down.
The same guy who used to coach Taoufik Makhloufi.
Marta L wrote:
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I do think it's possible that Jenny B's 3:56 is a clean world record. Unfortunately there's no recognition for this.
Sorry but Jenny B has never run 3:56. That distinction goes to Shannon R.
Cheers!
jjjjjj wrote:
I don't know how she got to this level far superior to any other runner today and ahead even of the doped Chinese and Eastern Europeans, but it is true that she is, to my knowledge, the first of the great Ethiopian 5000m runners to really tackle the 1500m seriously. Meseret Defar and Tirunesh Dibaba not only ran faster at 5000m than Genzebe has so far (she'll smash that record in the right conditions now), but had the ability to close a 5000m in sub 59. That right there indicated that they would be able to handle the 1500m runners over the last 15 years, who frequently could not even close a low 4 in sub 60. Dibaba and Defar would surely have run low to mid 3:50s as well but they didn't have the desire or courage to go after it.
This pretty much captures it.
This place is a cess pit.
Wanna be fast guy wrote:
Dunkenfeld wrote:Have to say I agree. Classic PED symptoms.
Good grief, drugs or not I don't understand how people finish a PR race and then immediately jump around in excitement. I'm on the ground or about to pass out with my hands on my knees thinking "ow, why I'm still in such excruciating pain?" for about 45sec.
You must be slow. You probably almost die after every effort.
Looking at least moderately composed after a world record is a brand new phenomenon apparent only in dopers.... I can't remember seeing a world record where the athlete didn't look fresh afterward.
All of my best races felt invincible. Felt like I could take 90s rest then go do it again. This is common. When you're on you're on.
Simpson led the 2nd pack most of the way. Rowbury ran a smart race drafting, now she has the American record. Simpson may have been better of drafting Hassan if she could, but that was a really quick race.
The Chinese times are bogus, since their whole team could never run time close to that in any location that could drug test.
Interesting indeed wrote:
That she finishes that far ahead of a world class field is kinda odd I will admit. But I do hate to jump to conclusions with doping. Shes got the WR until proven guilty. I just don't particularly enjoy watching races like that which are complete dominations. There is nothing like a good head to head battle with tactics and heart trumping physiology numbers.
Uh , hello, its a world record, usually not a close race. Everybody ran fast in the field. I think most are elated to see the new record and singular effort that usually comes with it.
