I think its because she insists on everyone calling her they/them,and saying shes not a woman,yet competes as a woman,in womens races.You cant have it both ways.
So if a trans woman insists on being called a woman, saying they aren’t a man, they should compete with?
Can someone explain to me - I don't know the back story - was Hiltz born female and is considered transgender as she has transferred from female to non-binary?
To me, an important thing to acknowledge is that trans women competing in sports and Hiltz's want for others to use they/them pronouns and respect their gender identity are two separate issues. Not all who support Hiltz's wish to be respected in the way they present support/are even sure about the complicated subject of trans women competing in track and field. I, myself a woman, do believe that trans women are women, but I am also incredibly unsure about them competing in Track and Field and think that there is an unfair advantage.
First, on Hiltz being non-binary. Though I will not speak for Nikki and how they feel about their gender, they have self-identified as non-binary and not genderfluid. Genderfluid means that they sometimes feel like a man and sometimes feel like a woman. To my knowledge, Nikki has not publicly said anything about this.
Second, most of this is related to language. All of you seem to be upset about the fact that Hiltz identifies as non-binary, not a woman, but is competing in a women's category. Come on guys... It just means biological female. They have not taken any testosterone or anything of the like, so they do belong in the women's category of competition.
Third, gender is a societal construct, as is language. Nothing in the creation of the world ever said that because someone is born with female genitalia has to be called a she or be classified as a woman, or any of this stuff. For hundreds and hundreds of years, Indigenous groups have had the concept of non-binary people, people who are just people, rather than being forced to conform to the roles of man or women. Many languages today don't even have gender-specific pronouns. It is not un-godly or mentally-ill to just not want to conform to a set of preferential rules society has put in front of you, especially not if others who don't identify with such constructs have come before you for hundred of years.
Another note on language... the singular they/them pronoun has been in use since 1345 according to the Oxford English dictionary. I will repeat that... they/them as a singular set of pronouns has been in use for 700 years, according to the OXFORD EN˝GLISH DICTIONARY, THE MOST DEFINITIVE DICTIONARY IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I am almost 100% sure you use they as a singular pronoun on a daily basis without even realizing it.
And if for whatever reason, that doesn't give you some understanding about non-binary pronouns in the English language, think about it like a nickname. Why is it so absurd that someone born as a she wants to be called they, if guys named Richard get to be called Dick, Roberts are called Bob, etc.? It's not that hard. It's respect. Please, guys, treat people with kindness.
No one should entertain Hiltz's insane transgenderist nonsense. Only a petulant narcissist of a woman demands others "affirm" her "nonbinary identity."
I think its because she insists on everyone calling her they/them,and saying shes not a woman,yet competes as a woman,in womens races.You cant have it both ways.
She needs to man up. I would have a lot of respect for her if she raced in the 'correct' category that she insists she is.
Nicky Hiltz is biologically female. Her case has nothing to do with the debate about the eligiblity of transgender and intersex runners. Full stop.
Exactly. As someone who cares about the integrity of women's sports, I think people should compete according to their sex rather than their gender identity. That is exactly what Hiltz is doing. Not sure how anyone can have a problem with this.
This was pretty much the point of my reply. They're competing according to their sex. People should just at least try to respect their wishes regarding gender. Sex, not gender. Sex, not gender. Sex, not gender x100000000.
She was born female,but apparently on some days she says she feels like a man,other days she feels like a woman,and on other days shes somewhere in between,so she calls herself they and them.
Strange that she always feels like a woman on race days 🤔
Funny we always feel American when we earn All-American status.
Nicky Hiltz is biologically female. Her case has nothing to do with the debate about the eligiblity of transgender and intersex runners. Full stop.
Exactly. As someone who cares about the integrity of women's sports, I think people should compete according to their sex rather than their gender identity. That is exactly what Hiltz is doing. Not sure how anyone can have a problem with this.
But she has no problem with dudes with penis swinging competing as women. She supports it actually. That is the problem.
The unfortunate thing about all this is Nikki ran a fantastic race yet most of this thread has been about gender identity, biological sex, and pronouns. Can we talk about how Nikki ran (out kicking ATHING MU) rather than how Nikki identifies?
Nikki has an insane kick and it was the field's fault for not trying to prepare for that. Every 1500 runner thinks they can kick but some can just kick better.
They are what they say they are, it's called respect even if someone is different than you.
It's not difficult, you just want to demerit their existence but you can't because there's no such thing as an "illegal human being" as much as you want to make it so.
Y'all need to just quit with the "biological female" cr*p
There's no such definition scientifically or legally only your incredibly limited life experience makes you think otherwise.
So do you believe "life begins at conception" ?
Because there's no Y Chromosome in the first six weeks, EVERYONE was "biological female" by your nonsense logic.
And some people LOSE the Y Chromosome later in life. Are they now "biological female" by your nonsense?
No of course not. They are their core identity.
Nikki Hiltz is the first elite athlete that is transgender in 100+ years of running, give them the massive respect they deserve.
If she feels like a chick on race day, she should not have a problem being called her, she, especially if she knowingly signed up for the women’s only event. If she feels like a dude on other days, he should not have a problem being called he, him. If you feel like both genders, you should embrace being called both.
She IS a woman,but if she runs as a woman in womens races,wins national titles,and then has the nerve to call people out on "misgendering" her,she's gonna get a lot of pushback.I only hope she's got thick skin,because people will keep calling her out,and committing "gender violence" against her.
I am amped for Hiltz. I think people are (rightly) concerned about the trans issue in women's sports and somehow (wrongly) lump Hiltz into this topic.
That is not what is happening, Hiltz is clear about "not feeling like a woman" sometimes and that is what being non-binary means. That should not trigger anyone. It is a thing some people (not you or me) feel. No need for the stress.
If we mess up the pronouns, no stress either, mistakes happen. Just don't do it on purpose.
I am very much in favor of trans people remaining in their birth category for sports, so I’m certainly not mad Hiltz runs in the women’s category. I think for a lot of people who rag on Hiltz there are three things going on, in some combination:
1. They think the entire trans thing, whether that’s “trans women are literally women!” or “non-binary identities are valid!” or whatever is complete baloney. I admit to being in this category, I think Hiltz is a woman who feels a bit androgynous and has glommed into a currently trendy way of expressing that which makes her feeling out to be deeper than it really is, i.e. claiming to be literally genderless.
2. The fact that we can’t get consistency from the trans activists re: gender/sex. Sometimes, they say trans women are women do they should compete with women, like Lia Thomas. They also say Nikki Hiltz is not a woman, but can compete in women’s events because she’s biologically female, or whatever phrase activists use that week. They can’t decide whether “sex” or “gender” is what matters, except that “whatever lets my favored athlete compete with women, is what I care about today.” That’s some illogical nonsense.
3. Hiltz has been an absolute pill about MiSgEnDeRiNg in the past. Like, one commentator says “she” once and Hiltz posts five paragraphs on instagram about how she isn’t upset on her own account, oh no, but for all the gEnDeR-nOnCoNfOrMiNg kids who are totally watching and totally think of Hiltz as they/their hero! Not upset personally, though! Let’s be real, about any other issue of similarly small magnitude, someone who made that kind of post would get obliterated, but because “woman with short hair” has been redefined as a super-oppressed class since done people say “she” about them, Hiltz got a free pass.
By the way, my wife who is not a runner and doesn’t know about Hiltz watched the meet with me last night and when they showed Hiltz in close-up after the finish my wife said “whoa, she’s a throwback from the 80s!” If only my wife knew what a bigot she was!
If she feels like a chick on race day, she should not have a problem being called her, she, especially if she knowingly signed up for the women’s only event. If she feels like a dude on other days, he should not have a problem being called he, him. If you feel like both genders, you should embrace being called both.
Nail on the head. Completely laughable that these activists expect everyone to take them seriously when they pick and choose competing narratives depending on what suits them.
