Mo Runs 3:28 again -- does anyone care?

reader of the forums wrote:

We've been thru this ten thousand times already -

Renato Canova wrote:

Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&thread=5302291&id=5302709#5302709

Ventolin, it is 2015. Fitness changes. Salazar himself has said that sometimes they lose endurance and gain speed and vice versa depending on the season or year. You cannot use times from 4 years ago as current ability.

Furthermore, if you think Canova is so correct, why do you disagree with him when he says something that refutes your arguments? You can't have it both ways.

Nobody cares what the Mo does because he's a prima donna who only does medal pageants, and the only time he ever tries to run fast is when there's someone faster to get him there. Could Mo run 3:28 if it was just him and the rabbit, hell no he couldn't. Not even 3:32.

And, doper or not, Mo is just not a likeable athlete. Even the British are sick of him now.

Kiprop on the other hand ran like a mad berserk. Like a skeleton reanimated by a sorcerer and imbued with a magical fanaticism to get the WR or die trying! That is a grand sight to see.

Reading comp wrote:

Ventolin, it is 2015.

idiot

moron

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Reading comp wrote:

Fitness changes. Salazar himself has said that sometimes they lose endurance and gain speed and vice versa depending on the season or year. You cannot use times from 4 years ago as current ability.

Except he is better now.

Reading comp wrote:

Furthermore, if you think Canova is so correct, why do you disagree with him when he says something that refutes your arguments? You can't have it both ways.

1) You can agree with someone about something and disagree with them about something else. Is that really so confusing?

2) I'm not Ventolin, so this question is irrelevant.

Bad Wigins wrote: Could Mo run 3:28 if it was just him and the rabbit, hell no he couldn't. Not even 3:32.

Interesting logic. He can't run 3:32 with rabbits, but he can run 3:28 while in no-man's land without drafting anyone.

People have short memories and change their views like the wind.

A month ago we were all openly accusing Mo of doping, along with his NOP colleagues. Now he's the most naturally gifted middle distance runner ever!

Salazar is still under investigation and has a lot of accusations to answer to. The Panorama programme proved micro dosing EPO is possible & does not set alarms off on the biological passport. If Farah was doping, which I believe he was, then he will still be doping now.

Gatlin has also proved that ped use has long term benefits that remain long after the drug regime has finished.

The panorama programme proved nothing about microdosing at all. Anyone that believes it did has absolutely no knowledge of scientific proceedures and experimentation.

Can you tell me categorically that the amount of drug the journalist was taking caused an increase in his performance?

No you cannot, there was no control group and it was a study of one person.

A poorly trained man seeing a supposed increase in VO2 max after nearly two months of increased training is not uncommon.

We don't even know if he worked as hard in the first VO2 max test before doping as after doping, he could easily have pushed himself more the second time round. One man with a point to prove does so... The levels of bias in this 'experiment' are off the charts.

They wouldn't even show the blood results or name the doctor who apparently helped determine that he passed the bio passport.

The whole thing is scientifically inconclusive to say the least, add in the reporters video diary where he said "I just FEEL that training is so much easier" screams placaebo like nothing else. The more invasive the proceedure the more the mind is convinced it has worked.

This bogus experimentation is why journalists should stay away from science, and the masses should do research before believing everything they see on TV!

Sure, because it would be a terrible idea for a 3:28 high guy to go with 3:26/27 pace if he actually believed he could PR right? He had the chance and he didn't do it.

If he chose not to go it's his own fault.

Either way 3:28 high is nothing to be ashamed about.

Wait so you're going to defend Kiprop someone who was accuses of beating his wife, threatening to kill her as well as kidnapping his kids. You think Kiprop is the likeable athlete... are you retarded Farah is a pop culture icon, hes got titles hes got charisma and hes funny you think Kiprop is more likeable than Farah??? Yes Kiprop has balls but come on only to people on Letsrun would Kiprop be more likeable than Farah.

trackandbacon wrote:

Kiprop someone who was accuses of beating his wife, threatening to kill her as well as kidnapping his kids.

Because it never happens in Kenya that a RICH and FAMOUS athlete is accused of this and that so that some people can profit from it...

trackandbacon wrote:

Farah is a pop culture icon, hes got titles hes got charisma and hes funny

A pop culture icon? Puh-leeeeze!

Charisma? As much as a fig.

Funny? No.

Bring Back the 880 wrote:

More evidence that he is a 5/10 guy and not a1500 guy as some here claim. He did beat some good milers here though.

Yeah, his best range may be 5-10, but keep in mind many top 1500m men, including most Olympic 1500m finalists, will never for their entire life run a 3:28. If Mo wanted to, he could make the Olympic 1500m final, likely place and maybe even win it. Pretty amazing.

Not when you get spanked by 2 seconds. It's great to see the greatest 1500 meter runner of all time back in form.

Does Anyooooneee Carreee? wrote:

He ran fast again.

Does anyone care?

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

We should! I do anyway.

With all the ridiculous performances today it's certainly easy to overlook Mo, but damn if he doesn't deserve some credit... he's run 3:28.93, 8:03.40, 26:50.97, and 59:32 all in the same year. Say what you will about Mo, but I doubt anyone can deny that is some amazing range.

There's a good question... Is there another runner who has sub 3:30, 8:10, 27:00, and 60:00 ever?? And put sub 7:30 for 3000 and sub 13 for 5000 in there as well. Is there another runner who shown this quality across these ranges? I'm sure there are not sure about within a single season though

Hi J.R.

Old Runner wrote:

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

We should! I do anyway.

With all the ridiculous performances today it\\\'s certainly easy to overlook Mo, but damn if he doesn\\\'t deserve some credit... he\\\'s run 3:28.93, 8:03.40, 26:50.97, and 59:32 all in the same year. Say what you will about Mo, but I doubt anyone can deny that is some amazing range.

There\\\'s a good question... Is there another runner who has sub 3:30, 8:10, 27:00, and 60:00 ever?? And put sub 7:30 for 3000 and sub 13 for 5000 in there as well. Is there another runner who shown this quality across these ranges? I\\\'m sure there are not sure about within a single season though

Galen Rupp comes close.

Devil Dog wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote: Could Mo run 3:28 if it was just him and the rabbit, hell no he couldn't. Not even 3:32.

Interesting logic. He can't run 3:32 with rabbits, but he can run 3:28 while in no-man's land without drafting anyone.

You are dull-witted. What is the difference between a rabbit and a mad sword-wielding berserk like Kiprop? Motivation.

Mo Farah doesn't worry about beating the rabbit. No pressure there. He is too lazy, and fearful of the consequences of going too fast. If it were only the rabbits ahead of him instead of Kiprop, they would have gapped him by 30 meters as he waited until the last 600 to do anything.

But with Kiprop ahead, and the prospect of being beaten by 50 meters by a far superior athlete, he had no choice but to go, go, go. Except he couldn't keep up. And for once in his life he even had to lead a pack instead of draft, and how his fans are whining about that. Makhloufi gave him a taste of his own damn medicine, but they somehow think it's unfair that his tactics failed him.

Old Runner wrote:

There's a good question... Is there another runner who has sub 3:30, 8:10, 27:00, and 60:00 ever?? And put sub 7:30 for 3000 and sub 13 for 5000 in there as well. Is there another runner who shown this quality across these ranges? I'm sure there are not sure about within a single season though

That's mostly because no one else has tried. Plenty have been capable of it. Instead of running all these different distances, they were attempting and breaking world records. Farah does these events to distract from the fact that he isn't really THAT (world record level) fast for 5k/10k.

I suspect several Kenyan and Ethopian 5000m and 10000m runners care.

What seems not to be generally understood here is that there is a big difference in having a devastating kick off championship 5000m and 10000m pace, and having a devastating kick off championship 1500m pace. It's the difference, for example, between Mirus Yifter and Sebastian Coe.

Mo is a runner with very good aerobic capacity (witness his half-marathon best), but a touch more power (fast-twitch muscle) than the average current top level 5000m and 10000m runner. What he doesn't have is the 46 high or 47 second 400m speed of a top class 800m/1500m runner in the Coe or Ovett mold (or for that matter, the 1:44 speed of a Centro). He might place in a world championship or Olympic games run at sub 3:30 pace, but that's not likely to happen. On the other hand, he's next to impossible to beat in a championship 5000m run around 13:00 minutes or a 10000m in around 27 minutes.

It's very likely that he could run faster than he has for 5000m or 10000m, but as we've seen (at Eugene) it's very hard to find pacemakers that could take him far enough, that are not good enough to be rivals. If he goes to the front to run a very quick pace in a Diamond League scenario, he's just going to be towing round a bunch of his biggest rivals.

It's really not that complicated!

Who is J R? And what is your point? Great rebuttal btw...

Bad Wigins wrote:Mo Farah doesn't worry about beating the rabbit. No pressure there. He is too lazy, and fearful of the consequences of going too fast. If it were only the rabbits ahead of him instead of Kiprop, they would have gapped him by 30 meters as he waited until the last 600 to do anything.

But with Kiprop ahead, and the prospect of being beaten by 50 meters by a far superior athlete, he had no choice but to go, go, go. Except he couldn't keep up. And for once in his life he even had to lead a pack instead of draft, and how his fans are whining about that. Makhloufi gave him a taste of his own damn medicine, but they somehow think it's unfair that his tactics failed him.

is this nonsense meant to be a complete joke ???

Asbel went out at suicidal pace at 54-flat

mo went out in 55-mid which is perfect pace for 3'28-flat

mo ran the perfect opening split for his target time

the only problem was he had no drafting whatsoever, so he ran effectively a solo-3'28.9 which is incredible !!!

if there had been 2nd set of designated pacers taking him to bell he wouda had a huge shot at frightening Asbel on last lap for something like 3'27-flat/low !!!

mo's performance was incredible !!!

in fact, this the only time anyone has ever broken 3'31 in an effectively solo 1500 !!!