Pretty sure kids in their mom's basement use sarcasm more than a well-adjusted member of society. So that's a miss on being funny and/or smart.
Pretty sure kids in their mom's basement use sarcasm more than a well-adjusted member of society. So that's a miss on being funny and/or smart.
Definition of hubris
: exaggerated pride or self-confidence
Yep, you and Steck exhibit hubris.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hubrisCHAclimberandrunner wrote:
As both a avid climber and runner, the loss of Ueli was tough. He was one of my biggest inspirations. Climbing and running are similiar in both sports are individual and progress is quantifiable. Where the sports differ is around the culture.
Most runners are focused on improving, breaking 3 hours, sub-4, sub-16. Everyone runner wants to improve and chase the next level. In the climbing world, that desire to improve is looked down on. Talking about grades and wanting to send 5.14 or flash V10 is taboo. No one vocalises that he wants to climb for the sake of climbing a certain grade (although internally every climber wants to hit a grade). The cool thing was to say I climb for "the line" or "the beauty of the movement." As a goal oriented runner first and climber second this always frustrated me. Not because I think everyone should think like me, but I knew we would only pretend not to care to fit in. Ueli was different.
Ueli (and similarily Paxti Usiobaga) inspired me to train and stick to my goals. I pretty much had this video on repeat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUWBbepsdmYfor a few snapshots of his weekly training:
http://daddygoneclimbing.blogspot.com/2013/11/training-tips-from-ueli-steck.htmlRIP to the Swiss Machine
Great post thank you
Social Faux Paw wrote:
Definition of hubris
: exaggerated pride or self-confidence
Yep, you and Steck exhibit hubris.
Quote something I've posted that shows I have "exaggerated pride or self-confidenice" or STFU.
GeezYouPeople wrote:
Social Faux Paw wrote:Yep, you and Steck exhibit hubris.
Quote something I've posted that shows I have "exaggerated pride or self-confidenice" or STFU.
You are showing hubris right now.
Killed or murdered? I blame the Illuminati.
lrc commune wrote:
GeezYouPeople wrote:Except, as pointed out multiple times in this thread, Steck didn't die climbing on "the dark side of Everest" (whichever side you might mean by that nonstandard term). He died on a basic acclimatization day climb on Nuptse. Whatever you think of Steck/alpinists/risks/etc, you should at least get the basic facts right about what happened.
And a priori, people would have put the odds of Steck dying on that specific climb (i.e., on that route that day on Nuptse) as less than 1%, probably more like your 1 in 200,000 to a million, given that he had routinely climbed much harder and more dangerous routes. Again, I'm talking about the specific day that Steck perished, not his overall Everest project.
If a runner died on a 10 mile run while training for a 1,000 mile ultra race, it would be dumb to say, well of course they died, they were trying to race 1,000 miles. But welcome to LRC I guess.
I agree that his comparison wasn't fair.
Still, nothing at 20,000 feet is the same risk profile as an average midweek run.
Clearly your midweek longruns aren't doing the job if you feel that secure in them.
People wonder why nobody watches track. Maybe it's because the athletes sit and handwring about risk in sports, reassuring themselves that they are as safe as possible lol.
Social Faux Paw wrote:
You are showing hubris right now.
In what way am I overrating my own abilities?
Oh, wait, I know ... I was foolishly overconfident in my ability to have a rational conversation with an idiot troll on LRC. That's how I was showing hubris.
Harambe wrote:
lrc commune wrote:I agree that his comparison wasn't fair.
Still, nothing at 20,000 feet is the same risk profile as an average midweek run.
Clearly your midweek longruns aren't doing the job if you feel that secure in them.
People wonder why nobody watches track. Maybe it's because the athletes sit and handwring about risk in sports, reassuring themselves that they are as safe as possible lol.
I'm not a professional runner so I do not care of how popular track is in terms of global fandom.
Ueli Steck was great at what he did. I find "what he did" to be unnecessarily risky. Same with people who do this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-limits_apnealrc commune wrote:
I'm not a professional runner so I do not care of how popular track is in terms of global fandom.
Ueli Steck was great at what he did. I find "what he did" to be unnecessarily risky. Same with people who do this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-limits_apnea
I don't think going for a dayhike in the Himalayas is especially risky for someone of his skill.
At this rate you should never go to the Rockies because the risks at altitude are too great for someone with no experience
You showed your hubris by dismissing others who didn't share your views as idiots or trolls.
Harambe wrote:
lrc commune wrote:I'm not a professional runner so I do not care of how popular track is in terms of global fandom.
Ueli Steck was great at what he did. I find "what he did" to be unnecessarily risky. Same with people who do this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-limits_apneaI don't think going for a dayhike in the Himalayas is especially risky for someone of his skill.
At this rate you should never go to the Rockies because the risks at altitude are too great for someone with no experience
Not a lot of opportunities to slip and fall into a crevasse on my Rockies trips. But Steck is so good that Nuptse is like walking on a flat woodchip path in the Spring, right?
lrc commune wrote:
Not a lot of opportunities to slip and fall into a crevasse on my Rockies trips. But Steck is so good that Nuptse is like walking on a flat woodchip path in the Spring, right?
Plenty of opportunities for you to hurt yourself. Especially with your relative lack of skill compared to him.
Then again you're not one of the people claiming that Steck deserved his accident so I'm not sure that this is really a productive trolling effort by either of us.
DJsock wrote:
You showed your hubris by dismissing others who didn't share your views as idiots or trolls.
All I did was point out that the specific route Steck died on was not the west ridge of Everest or "the dark side of Everest" but (for the tenth time) a basic acclimatization day climb on Nuptse that would not, a priori, be considered high risk for climbers of Steck's ability. I neither defended nor condemned Steck.
When someone repeatedly calls that "hubris" on my part, for simply posting facts, then yes, they are an idiot and/or troll.
GeezYouPeople wrote:
DJsock wrote:You showed your hubris by dismissing others who didn't share your views as idiots or trolls.
All I did was point out that the specific route Steck died on was not the west ridge of Everest or "the dark side of Everest" but (for the tenth time) a basic acclimatization day climb on Nuptse that would not, a priori, be considered high risk for climbers of Steck's ability. I neither defended nor condemned Steck.
When someone repeatedly calls that "hubris" on my part, for simply posting facts, then yes, they are an idiot and/or troll.
Agreed mate
Wtfunny wrote:
ohio_miler wrote:The most famous names in climbing are not necessarily the best guys. Ed Visteurs was the first American to do all 8000m peaks without oxygen. Its incredibly impressive. He could not do the same things as Conrad Anker, Jimmy Chin, or Ueli Steck. Not even close. .....
Jimmy Chin? Wtf? Jimmy's a good climber and athlete, but he's not on the same planet as these other guys. He's better known as a photographer than an athlete. It's like you just lumped Bekele, Komen and wejo together,
Jimmy Chin may not be as good as Anker or Steck, but this guy's point is right I suspect. If Viesturs did most of these 8000m climbs expedition style vs Chin's alpine style climbs and his big wall rock climbs and his ski descents, then Chin is the better climber. He is not doing the hardest or riskiest climbing, but if you follow what he does routinely, like in the Tetons, you would know that he is legit. Here is an example. Style wise, being able to do something like this is more impressive than doing an expedition style 8000 m peak.
http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web08x/newswire-chin-teton-enchainmentDoodoowatee wrote:
Wtfunny wrote:Jimmy Chin? Wtf? Jimmy's a good climber and athlete, but he's not on the same planet as these other guys. He's better known as a photographer than an athlete. It's like you just lumped Bekele, Komen and wejo together,
Jimmy Chin may not be as good as Anker or Steck, but this guy's point is right I suspect. If Viesturs did most of these 8000m climbs expedition style vs Chin's alpine style climbs and his big wall rock climbs and his ski descents, then Chin is the better climber. He is not doing the hardest or riskiest climbing, but if you follow what he does routinely, like in the Tetons, you would know that he is legit. Here is an example. Style wise, being able to do something like this is more impressive than doing an expedition style 8000 m peak.
http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web08x/newswire-chin-teton-enchainment
Like art beauty is in the eye of the beholder. All talented climbers with exceptional skills. Ueli played with fire, Sherpas disliked his disregard for danger and seemingly lack of respect for the mountain. Say what you will this is true for any of you that have been on the mountain and experienced it first hand.
Falling today wrote:
Doodoowatee wrote:Jimmy Chin may not be as good as Anker or Steck, but this guy's point is right I suspect. If Viesturs did most of these 8000m climbs expedition style vs Chin's alpine style climbs and his big wall rock climbs and his ski descents, then Chin is the better climber. He is not doing the hardest or riskiest climbing, but if you follow what he does routinely, like in the Tetons, you would know that he is legit. Here is an example. Style wise, being able to do something like this is more impressive than doing an expedition style 8000 m peak.
http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web08x/newswire-chin-teton-enchainmentLike art beauty is in the eye of the beholder. All talented climbers with exceptional skills. Ueli played with fire, Sherpas disliked his disregard for danger and seemingly lack of respect for the mountain. Say what you will this is true for any of you that have been on the mountain and experienced it first hand.
Any source for this Sherpas disliked thing? He was going to do this last Everest project with a Sherpa climbing partner. He had a bad incident before because his partner Moro got hot headed and insulted them. And sure, maybe they shouldn't have been climbing close to the Shepas. But it seemed like problems with Sherpas were past him. And what does this Sherpas opinion comment have to do with it. Kind of random if you think about it. Are Sherpas the ultimate authority?
At the end of the day, who would have impacted people's lives more? Ueli Steck the extreme alpinist or Ueli Steck the carpenter who stayed in his village and just climbed local mountains not solo? People like him inspire people who are weekend warriors to go out and do things. He sold out a lecture hall in my city when he gave a talk. Just too bad that he kept going instead of dialing it back.
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