Laura MF Muir 3:55

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7 years ago 08/27/2016 6:53pm EDT

re: smile

smile wrote:
Can'tWinWhine wrote:
Bad day for Jenny ....
She can't play the race card or the dope card on the winner ...
However, she can play with T.U.E.'s ... She's clean as a 'Tuesday' morning!
Checkout Simpson's testing numbers and compare them with other USA mid-long distance runners .... Is the USADA in the tank with J. Simpson?
2016 - 4 test for the 'great one' as of 8/2016 (4 only for a multi-medal holder)
2015 - 1 test (think about that --- one test)
2014 - 2 test (just 2)
2013 - 2 test (just 2)
So Jenny (Ms Anti-Doper) what's really going on?
http://www.usada.org/testing/results/athlete-test-history/
USADA should disclose all T.U.E.'s for public viewing ...
USADA tests athletes more if their biological passport shows suspicious numbers. The fact that Jenny, and Emma Coburn for that matter, are tested way less than Salazar athletes should tell you something.

Is it conceivable to you that Salazar's athletes do advanced training techniques that raise blood levels over normal and thus make them draw more attention? Or can you not imagine that the very things for which the NOP athletes are most envied by the anti-corporate, anti-Oregon, projected self haters, that those techniques indeed work? Altitude tents, advanced testing, etc.....? It's easier just to smear, I guess.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 6:59pm EDT

re: Floyd Pink

Brave Laura. Even if you have the talent you can't run fast unless you try to run fast. She'll have bad runs like in the Olympics, and great runs like today. GDibaba has a lot of bad days, but her great days more than offset that. It's not Jenny's style and Rowbury slipped past her to get the AR last year. Jenny's almost at the point where the AR is permanently out of her reach.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 7:25pm EDT

re: Metric Miler

Metric Miler wrote:
No but... wrote:
I'll admit I didn't see it - but splits seem to show 2.10 at 800. So if you think probably around 1.54/55 at 800 - not sure where this 1.57 is coming from.
Great run nonetheless.
I think they said a 1:57/1:58 last 800 on the TV.

They were talking about the Olympics

7 years ago 08/27/2016 7:28pm EDT

re: come on..

7 years ago 08/27/2016 7:47pm EDT

re: Metric Miler

It's too bad she did not have this type of performance during the olympics. A 3:55 would definitely have been better than watching that jog fest of a final.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 7:48pm EDT

re: smile

So, Molly is with Salazar group?

Meb with NOP?

Have you seen Jenny's, Meb's or Molly's Passports? Are should we assume Meb and Molly are under suspicion? And, as for the only 2 second time improvement (JS) --- that could be max-out talent ... I say, give the public full disclosure of T.U.E.'s related to running performance. Also, passport profile/data of athletes ...

7 years ago 08/27/2016 7:59pm EDT

re: hey idiot

hey idiot wrote:
Algonquin wrote:
Magness is tweeting that Muir sets herself apart bc she shows effort on last lap. He is saying she is likely clean bc she grimaces. What a joke. How ridiculously unscientific. Why doesnt he just say that he has applied his special Steve Magness scale to all runners and knows who is dirty and who is clean. I really hope none of his runners run smoothly in the last lap or he will have to kick them off the team
Hey idiot,
He didn't mention one thing about being 'clean'.
He said:
"Wow! 3:55 for Laura Muir. One thing that sets Muir apart is you can see the effort, fatigue, and grit on her face the whole last lap."
Stop trying to cause controversy. And what he said is true. Watch Muir race, both here and at London. She is grimacing the entire last 400-600m. Name me someone else who shows that kind of expression for that long?
Does that mean she is clean or dirty? No.

Mo Farah and Bernard Lagat are famous grimacers, and they're routinely calling out as dopers.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 8:04pm EDT

re: Clerk

Clerk wrote:I knew this would be an uphill battle...

why ?

that is expected

No, I'm not asking for the best performances

i gave 2 which somewhat came close but lacking drafting in 1'41.0s

You say yourself Rudisha's 800m had no effective drafting and the pace varied too much between 400m and 600m. i.e. the difference between what he did run and what he "could have run" that day is large

that is best you get...

I'm asking which races (you can remember) did create the ideal situations you're always posting about

none

offer a WR or ex-WR or close & i'll analyse

it's best of a bad-job

What are the best performances from those situations?

not 1 easily to recall

Then you post about Komen soling 13:00 two days after another huge performance

it was bad

That's not what I'm asking about

you ask a lot

go thru wr book & ask

I get that you believe the WR are under performances

usually huge

given proper, esteemed track & running clock / auto-timing

I'm asking for races that weren't under performances

can't you think ??

by definition, no pb is perfect, it is ? of estimating perfect

Who has run as fast as they could have

none

given proper, esteemed track & running clock / auto-timing

Or, failing that, who has come the closest?

Big-Man in his 1'41-flats had at least "proper" 24.5

his lack of drafting & stoopid 400 / 600 splits wrecks it, but at least he started out with expected splits before no drafting & whacky 400 / 600

Farah's 1500m had you giddy

he was in in '15 in "perfect race"

~ 3'27.0

Is that the smallest percent difference between real and intrinsic performance?

his '13 was closer, maybe closest, so you have got some answer

he was in ~ 3'28-flat/low in '13

however in '15, when slightly slower clocking, he was

~ 3'27.0

Teg's 2-Mile?

i don't like non-metric

Did Ngeny's time in the mile with a full draft and no traffic have a large gap between what did actually ran and could have run?

good question

impossible to say as 1 Mile too far for him

i have no doubt that if he'd run in rieti, instead of 1k, but 800 or 1500, with the same lack of rest ~ 44 hours since 3'29.1 win in brussels, he couda gone with ideal pacing

1'41-low / mid / 3'25-high

it is very fortunate for history he ran 1k that day, but he had 1500WR in him in rieti

Again, I'm not trying to troll you, I'm asking

above...

7 years ago 08/27/2016 8:16pm EDT

re: smile

smile wrote:
I'm right. You're wrong.

You're right off the cliff.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 9:02pm EDT

re: hey, i hear ya but....

There is no reason to suspect Muir besides the fact that she runs fast... unlike all of the people ahead of her, who have some clear connection to doping (through the coach, who they train with, etc.).

7 years ago 08/27/2016 9:09pm EDT

re: fbdgdgdfgd

fbdgdgdfgd wrote:
There is no reason to suspect Muir besides the fact that she runs fast... unlike all of the people ahead of her, who have some clear connection to doping (through the coach, who they train with, etc.).

Right.... because her improvement isn't strange? THREE FIFTY FIVE isn't strange? The statistics? 19 years!!!! Except Dibaba!

I try to keep an open mind about this stuff but NO NO WAY

7 years ago 08/27/2016 9:14pm EDT

re: Ah Ha

Ah Ha wrote:
I am not really very familiar with Muir. Of course I saw what happened in the Olympics. Is she a clean athlete? If hope so. If so I am happy for her!

Well the Brits think that Lynch (McColgan) and Murray were clean!

7 years ago 08/27/2016 9:16pm EDT

re: Jerry Maguire

Someone posted her improvement here, she has steadily been chipping off 1-2 seconds off of her season best each year. Again besides running fast, she is not like the others in that she has no sketchy training or coaching connections.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 9:36pm EDT

re: fbdgdgdfgd

You want to see a sham? Look no further than the women's Seoul 1500m...

https://youtu.be/QDnu5vIATnU

7 years ago 08/27/2016 10:18pm EDT

re: fbdgdgdfgd

fbdgdgdfgd wrote:
Someone posted her improvement here, she has steadily been chipping off 1-2 seconds off of her season best each year.

Her progression, again:

4:07.76 Birmingham 30 Jun 13

4:00.07 Paris 5 Jul 14

3:58.66 Monaco 17 Jul 15

3:55.22 Paris 27 Aug 16

Her 800 time is unchanged since 2013, at 2:00.4-8ish..

DOB: 9 May 1993

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=19602

7 years ago 08/27/2016 10:31pm EDT

re: ignorance bliss

holy shit

CLEAN

WORLD

RECORD

Amazing.

7 years ago 08/27/2016 11:04pm EDT

re: hey idiot

hey idiot wrote:
Go back in your hole Sean Wade and John McKim
At least we know you all post on letsrun now as anonymous trolls.
See this tweet and then aforementioned post:
sub15@50 â€@Seanpwade 35m35 minutes ago Houston, TX
@letsrundotcom @JohnPMcKim I Wonder if it passes the the Steve magness eye test. It's only clean he thinks she can run that
https://twitter.com/Seanpwade/status/769646647378743297

Watch what you say about Wadey cos you'll have this fella after you which was posted on the "WR!!! old dudes rule! sean wade goes sub-15 for 5k at 50 years old..." thread, those old fellas stick together but never dope, I think this ones having roid rage:

SoCal Pete wrote:
Boring wrote:
Spending "tons of time in the pool aqua jogging" would have to be one of the most boring and soul destroying things anyone can do, and to do it for no monetary return at the age of 50...ah well, make up your own mind.
Besides the excellent reply to this ridiculous post by Precious Roy above, I might add that posters like "Boring" make the typical (lazy, self-serving, and inaccurate) assumption that a masters runner like Sean doing something for "no monetary return" must be some crazed old dude who's sacrificed his life for fast times. In fact, Sean built from scratch a very successful business--Kenyan Way, which has, among other things, guided more than 5,000 runners to successful completion of a marathon or half marathon--enduring quite a few lean years on his way to earning a very healthy income, one that allows him the freedom to train and race (or anything else he wants to do, since he's now financially secure). A former Olympian (for New Zealand, in the marathon), Sean defies the low-information LR posters who believe masters runners are either wannabes who never had success as open runners or wannabes trying to find the success in their 40s, 50s, and beyond by sacrificing all other aspects of life. Specifically to the point of "no monetary return," Sean's business is aided immeasurably by his continued excellence in the sport.
Bottom line: "Boring" and other posters who shoot from the hip without having a clue about what they're talking about often end up shooting themselves in the as$.
Here's an idea: Celebrate the accomplishment of a 50-year-old, and use it as motivation to keep up your own running past the age when your parents finally kick you out of their basement and you, too, have to craft a self-sustaining and personally rewarding life for yourself. (FYI, It's a sign of incredible immaturity to think it's up to you to judge the healthy life choices of another adult.)

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7142760&page=2

7 years ago 08/27/2016 11:04pm EDT

re: Phantasy Star

phantasy all you want

the shockingly anaemic-looking lass is probably in

1'56-flat

she got some serious whip !!!

7 years ago 08/27/2016 11:55pm EDT

re: Metric Miler

Love to watch her run -- powerful and smooth, machine-like but with grit and determination.

7 years ago 08/28/2016 12:09am EDT

I agree. Simpson gets away with so much. She is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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