Nijel Amos: 1:41.73 World Junior 800m record

I agree, but there is one caveat. These NCAA guys are peaking right now. Brazier didn't even intend on running the Olympic trials. August is a long way away.

I am not sure there is anyone in the world RIGHT NOW that could have beaten Brazier in that 800m final, but that's because all the other top guys are aiming for mid August.

TrackCoach wrote:

what say you wrote:

Don't know a whole lot about world junior records but saw the extreme excitement when it came to Brazier's 1:43.5

Is 1:41.73 really the world record? This seems insane. This is light years faster than Brazier. What's the deal? Is this record the product of doping?

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

Who held the US junior record last week? What was his lifetime best?

Vhfhgvhgvhgghv wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

Who held the US junior record last week? What was his lifetime best?

+1 case and point.

In the article linked to earlier, I don't understand why WADA told him in advance that they were coming to do an out of competition test.

http://www.weekendpost.co.bw/wp-news-details.php?nid=699

Oddities wrote:

In the article linked to earlier, I don't understand why WADA told him in advance that they were coming to do an out of competition test.

http://www.weekendpost.co.bw/wp-news-details.php?nid=699

Reading these articles recently about how Amos keeps missing drugs tests made me extremely suspicious of him, and I believe he is far more likely to be a drugs cheat than an age cheat.

As for the WADA notification, they are coming a long way and don't wanna miss him. If the notice was short enough then there would hopefully be too little time for any drugs he may have taken to leave his system. It is better to get a test out of him and catch him using something rather than missing him again.

I think you might be correct if Botswana is a commonwealth country.

Metric Miler wrote:

Oddities wrote:

In the article linked to earlier, I don't understand why WADA told him in advance that they were coming to do an out of competition test.

http://www.weekendpost.co.bw/wp-news-details.php?nid=699

Reading these articles recently about how Amos keeps missing drugs tests made me extremely suspicious of him, and I believe he is far more likely to be a drugs cheat than an age cheat.

As for the WADA notification, they are coming a long way and don't wanna miss him. If the notice was short enough then there would hopefully be too little time for any drugs he may have taken to leave his system. It is better to get a test out of him and catch him using something rather than missing him again.

Yes, but the whole point about OOCT is thT it is random and you shouldn't have any notice.

His excuse was that he 'wasn't prepared'. What on earth does that mean?

I can't believe this hasn't been more widely documented. When something similar happened to Farah, everyone called him a cheat. Can you imagine Farah getting notified in advance and then absconding?

I have little faith in Amos being legit.

TrackCoach wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I don't know about America, but in the UK you finish school at 16 and 'college' finishes at 18.

Then you go university. This could be the source of confusion for you.

I think you might be correct if Botswana is a commonwealth country.

It is, yes. Amos won the Commonwealth games beating Rudisha.

Also, as shown above, I searched after posting and found that kids finish college at 17 there.

100% agree.

Yet there are still many posters that come on here, and several African governments and African National governing bodies of athletics that claim African athletes (especially Kenyans) are unfairly targeted and punished by WADA and the IAAF. They act victimized.

Laughable. Amos should be banned immediately. Charlie Grice can have his door knocked on randomly any time anywhere in the world and be demanded to piss in a cup there and then.

Do not tell me the English or even Americans are just as dirty as the largely untested Botswanans, Kenyans and Ethiopians. Such a big fuss on Letsrun when a British woman ran a 32 minute 10k. Wouldn't even be blinked at if done by an African.

+1

For someone who slanders African athletes based on suspicion of drugs and age cheating on nothing more than being fast and from an African country, you Metric Miler should be banned for being a racist. A racist troll

The troll miler meter wrote:

For someone who slanders African athletes based on suspicion of drugs and age cheating on nothing more than being fast and from an African country, you Metric Miler should be banned for being a racist. A racist troll

Really? I don't think I have said Amos is an age cheat anywhere in this thread, mate. You can read my posts.

Not to mention as I have said on here before, I am half Moroccan and not racist at all. Morocco has a terrible history with drug cheats. I will openly admit that because it is true.

Kenya also has a terrible history (and present). So does Ethiopia.

I think Amos is dirty because he is not subject to out of season drug testing in his home country (I couldn't give a shit where he is from, this is the only detail that is relevant to me) and he has missed two drugs tests that he was notified about beforehand.

I'm not a racist. I am simply pragmatic in my opinions. No drug testing = dirty athletes. That goes for every country in the world.

It is human nature to cheat.

He was training in South Africa with Andre Olivier, not Botswana. That article looks like sloppy reporting. I highly doubt they notified him two weeks in advance of the exact date, time, and place of a test, which he then bizarrely skipped anyway, as the poorly worded article might read. A more simple explanation is that he left his training base to Botswana for a weekend, forgot to update his whereabouts, and the testers happened to show up. Which is still bad, but not as bad.

Wouldn't even be blinked at if done by an African? You are a racist. On page one of the thread you say you agree with Trackcoach that he is age cheat. Maybe wearing the pointed hat has given you selective memory.

HardLoper wrote:

He was training in South Africa with Andre Olivier, not Botswana. That article looks like sloppy reporting. I highly doubt they notified him two weeks in advance of the exact date, time, and place of a test, which he then bizarrely skipped anyway, as the poorly worded article might read. A more simple explanation is that he left his training base to Botswana for a weekend, forgot to update his whereabouts, and the testers happened to show up. Which is still bad, but not as bad.

Even in South Africa, Botswana is responsible for his out of season drug testing. There is no universal out of season programme in place (yet) across the world. The NGB's are responsible for their own athletes.

And I'm not sure about that excuse. Farah not answering his door seemed dodgy to me. This is downright inexcusable.

Some 'better' articles reporting the story:

No, I didn't.

I believe wrote, "I'd agree with you on this matter, usually".

I don't see any reason to call me a racist towards Africans. I have also gone on about Russia being dirty before and questioned the drug testing that goes on in Tuka's home country of Bosnia.

I literally just care about countries not drug testing their athletes. I live in the real world where we don't pretend one race of people have greater morals and ethics than another, and recognise that when unregulated all people will cheat wherever they are from.

WADA officials don't wanna show up and get mauled by cecil the Lion, hy3nas or gored by buffaloes in Africa! REmember these animals roam about in the villages? And especially they have an appetite for a white man!

Oddities wrote:

In the article linked to earlier, I don't understand why WADA told him in advance that they were coming to do an out of competition test.

http://www.weekendpost.co.bw/wp-news-details.php?nid=699

I read about a girl in Minnesota who set some 100 and 200 records.

She said the track was "bouncy."

It's the tracks that are bringing the times down.

Farah, Rupp, and others still make stupid mistakes when they run. They are running faster because the tracks are a lot faster!

It's not fair to us old timers who had to run on clay, cinders, dirt, and if we were lucky asphalt!