Nijel Amos: 1:41.73 World Junior 800m record

watch the race he set it in. 2012 olympic final. carried off in a stretcher.

You think the 1:43:5 is not the product of doping? C'mon

what say you wrote:

Don't know a whole lot about world junior records but saw the extreme excitement when it came to Brazier's 1:43.5

Is 1:41.73 really the world record? This seems insane. This is light years faster than Brazier. What's the deal? Is this record the product of doping?

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

Hypsocrisy wrote:

You think the 1:43:5 is not the product of doping? C'mon

Does every fast time have to be doped? Lot of allegations. Not a whole lot of proof.

TrackCoach wrote:

what say you wrote:

Don't know a whole lot about world junior records but saw the extreme excitement when it came to Brazier's 1:43.5

Is 1:41.73 really the world record? This seems insane. This is light years faster than Brazier. What's the deal? Is this record the product of doping?

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

Ahh, makes sense. Thanks for the explanation - good point on the lack of improvement. Kind of a shame that the backbone of the whole world junior concept is a complete lie.

TrackCoach wrote:

what say you wrote:

Don't know a whole lot about world junior records but saw the extreme excitement when it came to Brazier's 1:43.5

Is 1:41.73 really the world record? This seems insane. This is light years faster than Brazier. What's the deal? Is this record the product of doping?

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

I agree with you on this matter usually.

But let's be fair, nobody in that race has improved since despite them all being different ages. That race was a one off.

what say you wrote:

Don't know a whole lot about world junior records but saw the extreme excitement when it came to Brazier's 1:43.5

Is 1:41.73 really the world record? This seems insane. This is light years faster than Brazier. What's the deal? Is this record the product of doping?

Right place, right time. Like Symmonds and others in the Final, he was pulled to a time beyond expectation. Symmonds was clear afterwards that he thought his 1:42.9 was beyond his capabilities. Amos has raced in the 1:42s since, but I doubt he'll get any faster than that.

This was the thread the day of that race. It was a surreal day, but the comments on page three hold true:

It's the product of having the perfect pacemaker to run a quick time and being in peak shape for the season. Only 1 person from the 2012 Olympic 800 has improved on their time they ran in that race. It's easier to run a 1:41 when you're following someone going 1:40 than by leading.

It's also the product of having Liamine Diack and his cronies pursuing their agenda of bribery, coverup and just plain looking the other way, unfettered by the light of inquiry.

TAA wrote:

It's the product of having the perfect pacemaker to run a quick time and being in peak shape for the season. Only 1 person from the 2012 Olympic 800 has improved on their time they ran in that race. It's easier to run a 1:41 when you're following someone going 1:40 than by leading.

One of Nijel Amos's teammates used to post here. He is insanely talented, running a 45.x 400m off of base training / longer repeats, literally no sprint work. Also, he was pretty confident he really was a junior. The ages of junior records for Kenya and Ethiopia are definitely a joke but Botswana is a more developed country.

TrackCoach wrote:

what say you wrote:

Don't know a whole lot about world junior records but saw the extreme excitement when it came to Brazier's 1:43.5

Is 1:41.73 really the world record? This seems insane. This is light years faster than Brazier. What's the deal? Is this record the product of doping?

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

First, I agree that he was probably not 18 when he set that time. There is a long history of 'age cheating' in African countries due to lack of birth certificates. This has had a profoundly negative effect on the quality of youngsters coming through to senior ranks. Many have the philosophy that they simply can't compete with these supposed teens, and decide there is no point carrying on. I truly believe that this is part of the reason for a decline in elite Europeans and American in middle distance and distance events. Although it's good to see some signs of a resurgence from the Americans of late.

Secondly, I always had my doubts about Amos from the very start. He practically came from no where, then disappeared the season after almost without a trace. He went from 1:47 to 1:41 in 1 season! And he hasn't run within half a second since.

Moreover, he appears to have missed several out of season drug tests in the past, even when he was informed 2 weeks prior by the testers that they were coming to pay him a visit! I kid you not.

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TrackCoach wrote:

It is almost universally understood that every youth and junior record over 400m is false and is the result of age fraud. Amos' 1:41.73 was supposedly run at age 18, that is still his PR 4 years latter. Nearly all of the Africans on the junior 800m top-10 list never improved much beyond their junior marks, which suggest they were probably in their mid-20s when competing as juniors.

141.7 makes Brazier's 143.5 look like a joke.

HardLoper wrote:

One of Nijel Amos's teammates used to post here. He is insanely talented, running a 45.x 400m off of base training / longer repeats, literally no sprint work. Also, he was pretty confident he really was a junior. The ages of junior records for Kenya and Ethiopia are definitely a joke but Botswana is a more developed country.

I do think Amos was younger than some Africans when he ran as a junior. Perhaps he was only 22 or 23; however he definitely wasn't 18 when he ran at the 2012 Olympics. Africans typically finish grade school one year older than in the U.S. and then Amos spent 2 years in college prior to 2011, which would put him at 22 or 23 in 2012.

I coached a Kenyan athlete in the mid-90s, who was supposedly 21 at that time, he actually had an official birth certificate which many Kenyans do. He told me that his oldest brother had made the Kenyan Jr Nat XC team. Again, he said his 'oldest' brother, he had several brothers and the brother he was referring to was probably in his late 20s. I mentioned the age requirements for world juniors and felt that nobody was actually only 18/19 years old.

LOL at all the world junior record and World Masters record talk on here. If there is any word between World and Record then its the same as a finisher medal.

The word "Masters" was never even mentioned in the thread. A simple ctrl-f would confirm this. Do you normally just make s hit up?

I was referring to letsrun in general. You guys love those finisher medals.

32423fdsfd wrote:

The word "Masters" was never even mentioned in the thread. A simple ctrl-f would confirm this. Do you normally just make s hit up?

I don't know about America, but in the UK you finish school at 16 and 'college' finishes at 18.

Then you go university. This could be the source of confusion for you.

Just to be sure I looked it up. Amos went to Tutume McConnel Community College (2010–2011). That is a senior secondary school. According to this website:

, kids in Botswana graduate senior secondary school at 17.

This means that Amos was 18 one year later in 2012 after his birthday on the 15th March.

So Amos' school record actually supports his claimed age.

It does not prove he started school at the right age, however. That said, a kid is more unlikely to start school at an older age than the other kids because he will simply look bigger. But Amos could have been small.