Which is better? Farah's 1:48 in a 13:50 or Bekele's 1:53 in a 12:53?

Paull wrote:

Les wrote:The OP did not specify fresh/not fresh, that is you bringing those qualifications to the discussion. The OP just specified numbers. In any case, Farah could probably close a championship (non-fresh) 12:53 5k in 1:53 but I doubt Bekele could close any 5k in 1:48.

Wow you just can't admit when you're wrong and you avoid answering the question. I'd like to see you and Ventolin go at it

eh ???

kennster already admitted he has no better than 1'48+

that 49-something looks furtive & down-right lie

he actually says 1'48+

not a snowball-in-hell's chance kennster had faster 800 than mo

ventolin^3 wrote:

eh ???

kennster already admitted he has no better than 1'48+

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8448650.stm

That was not an admission. It was an answer. Further, you of all people should know that PRs (especially PRs in practice sessions) aren't necessarily a runner's true ability in an actual well-paced race. Otherwise you would think 12:53 is the fastest Farah can run for 5000 and that 7:25 is the fastest Bekele could do for 3000.

You are losing so much in this thread.

drivel

practice times are supposed to be bigged-up

if kennster claims only 1'48, then clearly his 800 speed is crap

as consequence, his 400 claim of 49+ looks crap

kennster had crap 400 / 800 speed

it was just his incredible endurance which allowed him to bring nearly all that 400 speed to even just slightly slow 5ks at bell

when he tried it at 1500 he got slaughtered by komen2 / choge

kennster had crap 400 / 800 speed compared to mo

here is kennster being brutally out-lasted on last lap of a 1500 by a guy who had worse kick than a junior-high gal !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF2r0rNHc1o

the original komen at his 1500 peak in '97 was likely 4+s faster over 1500 than this ersatz...

ventolin^3 wrote:

drivel

practice times are supposed to be bigged-up

if kennster claims only 1'48, then clearly his 800 speed is crap

Practice times are not "supposed" to be anything. They are what they are: the fastest time run in practice. Everyone knows you run faster in actual races than in time trials in practice. You are really getting beaten in this thread. Better hurry and delete all of our posts!

Truth. Farah closed his PR ungodly fast, several years ago. Tell me he couldn't do better now. Maybe not 12:37 but he's better than 12:53.

Bekele never trained like runners do today. I'm pretty sure farah wasn't a 3:28 guy before he started training with Salazar. Granted Bekele is older now, but that doesn't mean he can't improve his speed endurance.

I don't know the answer to the question, but it's hard to imagine anyone beating 2008 Bekele in a 5K. Could Farah cope with it:

http://www.letsrun.com/2008/5k0824.php

I think it would be like Ayana vs. Dibaba.

Maybe... wrote:

Bekele never trained like runners do today. I'm pretty sure farah wasn't a 3:28 guy before he started training with Salazar. Granted Bekele is older now, but that doesn't mean he can't improve his speed endurance.

Bekele never trained like runners do today? You make it sound like Bekele ran 50 years ago. He just ran two high quality marathons. That means he is literally training like runners do today. All runners don't train the same, so what does that even mean?

You quote the 2011 race where I think Farah did nothing until the last km, and it was in a paced race. Bekele on the other hand controlled the race comfortably to an 8:06 3000m before taking off with a few 61s to drop the field. Lagat couldn't even contend with Bekele in 2008, but he was toe to toe with Farah in both Monaco and at Dageu.

ventolin^3 wrote:

how on earth coud kennster cope in last 4 laps of a slow 5k knowing he's got a 3'27-flat guy on his shoulder ???

The same way he blew Lagat away... a 3.26 guy.

With Farahs very fast 1500 it is all theory on how fast he CAN run over the other distances because he hasnt yet and wont because he doesn not want to lose the streak.Had Komen been around that would have been great to watch because he would not tolerate slow running.I pray that Asbel Kiprop the Boss is feed up with the slow Mo show and injects havoc into 5km track races. Asbel has the balls to go hard and wants times lets hope he shows Mo the way.Then and only then can i tell whether fast finishing over slow races is better.

Props to Mo for what he has done,although i would like to see him put his balls on the line for a 5km/10km fast run (but its the streak folks not happening soon and its up to the others now to make it happen)

Not arguing the race situations were the same, I think that is clear. I would even say that from what I have seen, I would give 2008 Bekele a slight edge over peak Farah in championship settings (in fact, I think he could have held off Farah using the same tactics).

But when comparing Lagat in 2008 to 2007 or 2011, he was not close in fitness. As I recall, he had an injury in the buildup to the Olympics, and was a shadow of himself.

global fan wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

how on earth coud kennster cope in last 4 laps of a slow 5k knowing he's got a 3'27-flat guy on his shoulder ???

The same way he blew Lagat away... a 3.26 guy

eh ???

bernie had a 3'33+sb at the time

you think he was in 3'26+ shape when mo whupped him ???

Reading comprehension wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

drivel

practice times are supposed to be bigged-up

if kennster claims only 1'48, then clearly his 800 speed is crap

Practice times are not "supposed" to be anything. They are what they are: the fastest time run in practice. Everyone knows you run faster in actual races than in time trials in practice. You are really getting beaten in this thread. Better hurry and delete all of our posts!

nonsense

you clearly don't do any research

here is paula's listed 1500pb :

go read it : 4'05.37

now i suggest you find a few shekels & go buy her autobiography :

then read the chapter where she says that shortly after millennium she ran a 1500tt in

4'01 !!!

now explain to me how a practice time of 4'01 is slower than race pb of 4'05 ???

not an american wrote:

With Farahs very fast 1500 it is all theory

The 1500's are just theory too, until he does it again on a different track. That goes for every other Monaco superhero too.

Only Kiprop, Kiplagat and Chepseba have even managed 3:29 anywhere else in the last 5 years, a total of only 5 times between them.

laughable !!!

once more : please explain why monaco is so crap for 400 ???

lashawn holds's post-millennium record there at 44.30 & twice ran 43.9 elsewhere in same season ???

why coudn't lashawn run 43.5 on it ???

please explain the qualities of that rubber that make it such a crap track for 400 but incredibly to you, a super-fast 1500 one ???

I totally agree. 1:48 in a flat 800 is probably the best Bekele could do. He could never finish a 5k in that time.

The Dingo^3 wrote:

Or Gebremeskal's 1:55 at the end of a 12:46?

This ^^^

Gebremeskel should have ran worlds, not really sure why they put Imane Merga in to double unless Gebremeskel was injured, I would have rather put Alamirew >> Tired Merga