Which is better? Farah's 1:48 in a 13:50 or Bekele's 1:53 in a 12:53?

Bekele's finish. He had absurd finishing ability to close out fast races. Farah hasn't even been able to run 12:50 let alone run it and finish that fast.

Once you stop sucking on Farah's Jock and the answer will be obvious.

Bekele's final 800 was stronger. I would say that the 1:48 would need to come at the tail end of something at least a little faster than 10k pace for Farah, which a 13:50 isn't even close to being. The 1:48 is whole worlds better than 1:53, but the 12:53 is only 16 seconds off of Bekele's PR, while for Farah that would be 13:10ish. I would say something in the sub 13:20 range with that same 1:48 finish would be a much more interesting debate.

1:53.

1:53?

No, how about his 4:56 last 2k with a winning time of 12:57 Dropping Eluid Kipchoge in the last lap and putting 5 seconds on him and another Kenyan. 08 Olympics

I'd say Bekele's 1:53 when he ran 12:53, considering he only ran 5 seconds slower over the last 800m, but he ran about a minute faster for the race in general.

Bekeles hands down.

Mo jogged for the most part and finished fast.

themanontherun wrote:

Bekele's final 800 was stronger. I would say that the 1:48 would need to come at the tail end of something at least a little faster than 10k pace for Farah, which a 13:50 isn't even close to being. The 1:48 is whole worlds better than 1:53, but the 12:53 is only 16 seconds off of Bekele's PR, while for Farah that would be 13:10ish. I would say something in the sub 13:20 range with that same 1:48 finish would be a much more interesting debate.

While I am not going to argue at this point that Farah is necessarily superior to Bekele, I think the argument is a little skewed. Farah closed HIS OWN personal record of 12:53 in 1:54 (from way back in 2011, before any world titles), splitting 60/54 on the last two laps (going away in the last 50 meters). So regardless of Farah's 1:48 in a slower race, I think you need to recognize that he could close pretty much just as fast as Bekele in a 12:53 race.

Lagat running a 12:59 closing in 50.XX to beat bekele

Great point.

In this particular question posed in the thread, I think the 12:53/1:53 takes the cake.

That does not however mean that there is a clear favorite between the two if they're at 11:00 at 10.5 laps.

Mo's 1:48 was chemically enhanced.

Or Gebremeskal's 1:55 at the end of a 12:46?

doo doo wrote:

runthecountry wrote:

While I am not going to argue at this point that Farah is necessarily superior to Bekele, I think the argument is a little skewed. Farah closed HIS OWN personal record of 12:53 in 1:54 (from way back in 2011, before any world titles), splitting 60/54 on the last two laps (going away in the last 50 meters). So regardless of Farah's 1:48 in a slower race, I think you need to recognize that he could close pretty much just as fast as Bekele in a 12:53 race.

Great point.

In this particular question posed in the thread, I think the 12:53/1:53 takes the cake.

That does not however mean that there is a clear favorite between the two if they're at 11:00 at 10.5 laps.

I think Bekele is the clear favorite at 11:00 at 10.5.

As runthecountry mentioned, Farah did indeed close his 12:53 in 1:54. But Bekele closed in 1:53. That's faster than 1:54. But you also have to keep in mind that Bekele closed in 1:53 AFTER running a 10k in 26:49 with the second half in 12:5x (almost Farah's PR).

What do you guys suppose Bekele could have closed in without that monstrous 10000 in his legs? 1:52? 1:50?

What about Mo Farah's 1:53 in a 12:53

Farah certainly finished a lot better than your best runner

people thinking mo's current ability is still that ancient 12'53 is laughable !!!

even back then he couda gone 12'45 in a flat-out gun-tape'r

mo is likely in 12'37/12'38 shape currently

yes, he is still inferior to kennster but it is fractionally

as for last lap or even last 4 laps in a slow 5k, it woud be a massacre providing both had run in same 10k earlier :

mo woud blow him away

mo's 3'28.9 was essentially solo in the nether-zone behind Asbel

if there had been a 2nd set of pacers for the pack, mo couda run 3'27-flat !!!

how on earth coud kennster cope in last 4 laps of a slow 5k knowing he's got a 3'27-flat guy on his shoulder ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

how on earth coud kennster cope in last 4 laps of a slow 5k knowing he's got a 3'27-flat guy on his shoulder ???

Why would the 5k be slow? Who said anything about a 5k at all? Are you posting in the wrong thread?

Bekele is not that much slower than Farah in a 1500.

Assuming they both gave everything it's the same.

Hate to be captain obvious, but the 1:48 was simply a consequence of a pedestrian pace.

1:53 was all Bekele could go that day, given the time he hit at 4200 meters.

If you are asking if Bekele could run 1:48 behind Farah let me say this:

Bekele would never EVER let the pace lag to 15 minute pace. Never.

Maybe 13:30, but he would never put himself in the position of needing to run a final 800m faster than 1:50 in order to win. Could he? My bet is yes. Should he purposely try it? Bad idea.

On other note, the more this ventolin guy posts here, the more I believe he is the ultimate troll.

He keeps insisting Farah is a 3:27 guy when he never ran that time, even having Kiprop to pace himself twice, same to the 5000m time.

Just choke yourself on your own BS and stop posting here, why are you so stuck up Farah's ass? Blackmail or something?

Bottles of it wrote:

Bekele is not that much slower than Farah in a 1500.

Maybe you're onto something. Bekele's 1500m best time was run with very uneven splits. One of the first laps was run in 53.x.

says that Bekele's 3:32 = 3:28.99. This seems reasonable in the context of his peers' 1500m times: Farah-3:28, Komen-3:28?, Geb-3:31 indoors (worth faster outdoors because indoors is allegedely slower than outdoors says common belief, so maybe 3:29/3:30?). Would Bekele really be 3-4 seconds slower in a 1500m than guys with similar 3k, 5k, and 10k times?