Monaco track short ???

JoJo beans wrote:

It's a valid argument considering all the ridiculous fast times run here every year.

Let's just assume it's shorter,

Year after year, people post very good times in certain disciplines-races.

In today's meet, the 100m race wasn't crazy though a meet record in itself.

The 3000m was slow.

The 400m hurdles was not exceptionally fast.

The 200m was not exceptionally fast yet, Schippers is in great form.

Rieti meet records fast times too.

It's probably somethign in the air. (I am kidding).

This is not America. In Europe we know how to measure tracks.

JoJo beans wrote:

It's a valid argument considering all the ridiculous fast times run here every year.

Of course it is. However, it's not the only one.

Comprehensive list of short tracks:

Athens, Atlanta, Barcelona, Beijing, Berlin, Brussles, Cologne, Eugene, Firenze, Helsinki, Hengelo, Johannesburg, Lausanne, London, Monaco, Moscow, Munchen, Nice, Oslo, Ostrava, Rieti, Rome, Seville, Shanghai, Stockholm, Zurich

JoJo beans wrote:

It's a valid argument considering all the ridiculous fast times run here every year.

You haven't even made an argument yet, so how can it be valid.

A Diamond League track is short? Sure. What is your evidence?

according to his post, it's "all the ridiculous fast times run here every year"

I think even with these facts, a shorter track is still possible.

100m: It's possible to have a 100m straightaway, even without a 400m track.

3000m: For all we know, the effort could have been worth ~3-5 seconds slower

400m hurdles:The most difficult one to pinpoint. Still plausable though that the race was worth ~0.3- 0.5 seconds slower.

200m: It's possible the race was started a little farther back along the curve. It wouldn't have to be too much to make up for a small track length discrepancy.

I'm not necessarily saying the track is or is not short, just that it's possible. There are just so many fast times that come out of here (especially in the 1500) that it raises some speculation. Just a 0.5 second/lap difference would come out to close to 2 seconds in the 1500, enough to make a huge difference. Conversely, though, athletes always come out to Monaco looking for fast times, making sure to have pacers go out in certain splits. Just this can motivate runners to achieve these fantastic times. I think until someone goes out there and officially measure the track, it's all just speculation.

Have you ever done any hurdling? How do you think the track could be at all short and not have the hurdlers crash into the barriers? They've trained their whole lives for a certain number of steps between hurdles and now you're going to say that the hurdles are closer at this track than at any other? The track is not short. The conditions are always good, people are sharp in mid-July and with good pacemaking that yields fast times.

Just because athletes run fast, strung out races doesn't mean the track is short. It means you're idiotic for not realizing what athletes in the modern era are capable of. You show lots of flaws intellectually and make me sick at how you do not recognize the amount of time, work, and effort these athletes are putting in.

You do need to realize, the athletes are planned to run fast paces, and train for months just to have a fast strength oriented race. I have come to realize that people like you that believe no one is capable of a fast time in a fast race are the ones that never believe in themselves. Therefore stating you can't get anywhere.

It possible? Sure, anything is possible. Its possible that you're the anti-christ. I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying its possible.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

Hoopster wrote:

I think until someone goes out there and officially measure the track, it's all just speculation.

Don't you think this has been done? An IAAF Measurement Report Form must be submitted for every WR certification, and I think just to host certain events.

It's much easier to get away with starting the 1500m on the wrong line than making the track as a whole the wrong distance.

Track short!

Only 3 lap!

And start in wrong place!

Anytime a WR is set the track is short. That's the only way a WR can be set, because all previous WRs have also been set on short tracks.

JoJo beans wrote:

It's a valid argument considering all the ridiculous fast times run here every year.

Of course the track isn't short, it is IAAF certified and has been recertified before each world record is ratified. The Monaco meet produces great results primarily because of where it is placed in the season, the meets has lots of money to attract the top talent and it is a great sight seeing destination. For a combination of reasons, athletes come to Monaco to run fast and set records.

Weather, the timing of the meet, competition with pacers are important.

But let us not forget that racing is just as much psychological too. It's always been a fast meet, and people expect themselves to run fast against other athletes that are tuned right up. So the expectation and goal is there to go for broke.

Track on drugs!

Very suspicious!

No good for records!

jjjjjjj wrote:

It's much easier to get away with starting the 1500m on the wrong line than making the track as a whole the wrong distance.

Like they did in the 1997 Chinese National ... never mind.

I suspect that the track has been engineered in such a way that it allows runners to have a bit more bounce with their stride.

Track too much bounce!

Very short!

Not Rupp certified!