Coaches lying while recruiting

I was lied to as a spectator 14 years ago at the Olympic Trials in Sacramento. That covered addition (for shade) to the stadium is still not built.

chiraqrunner wrote:

I was getting recruited 6 years ago by a team that said they were going to have a new indoor facility built. the new facility is still not built lol

Yeah... seems very typical of that guy...

It sounds like the girl didn't need to run at the D-1 level. The sad thing is that Mississippi recruited her in the first place. If she is a distance runner at Ole Miss, (which you eluded to) and she was part of the squad this year, than she definately didn't belong in a D1 program.

HAHAHA. Do NCAA track coaches lie like its their f***ing job?? Is the sky blue? Dose Kate Upton have huge boobs? Yes, yes and yes.

University of Oregon is considered the best and that's because they lie to recruits harder than everyone else.

Most programs are smoke and mirrors. Research for yourself and talk to many schools and people.

chiraqrunner wrote:

I was getting recruited 6 years ago by a team that said they were going to have a new indoor facility built. the new facility is still not built lol

Coaches are lied to by ADs.

And sometimes prospective recruits lie about their PBs. This is most common with foreign athletes, whose marks cannot always be checked.

it flows downhill wrote:

chiraqrunner wrote:

I was getting recruited 6 years ago by a team that said they were going to have a new indoor facility built. the new facility is still not built lol

Coaches are lied to by ADs.

Everybody Lies

At least coaches lying in recruiting educates youngsters about how the world works. Get over it. That's life. Get used to it.

My college coach told a high school recruit that if he made the varsity that ran at the NCAA Championships he would get more money.

This runner did that as a freshman and the coach reneged because 3 runners ahead of him got injured that allowed him to be the 7th runner that placed about 140th at nationals.

He was a good runner. He transferred and ended up being an All American at a MAC school.

I think at the less competitive programs the lying is less prevalent.

Wojeck wrote:

No.

Most Div.1 coaches recruit amongst the usual suspects. It's not like a coach at BC is going to dump on UVa.

It wouldn't do much good to badmouth school-A when the recruit will talk to that school's coach on the phone in a matter of minutes.

You tell the truth about important things like money, living conditions, travel, ease with air/train min's from campus,coach's rep, all the pluses in addition to the strengths of the academics you are trying to sell.

No. But the coach at UVA will definitely dump on BC.

I went on a non-scholarship college visit to (insert school name). The coach, a genuinely snobby and terrible guy, told me that I wouldn't make the team because he planned to have not one but TWO 4x800 teams under 7:20 the following year.

He had one guy under 1:50 the following year.

He was a liar. Does that count?

LER wrote:

Wojeck wrote:

No.

Most Div.1 coaches recruit amongst the usual suspects. It's not like a coach at BC is going to dump on UVa.

It wouldn't do much good to badmouth school-A when the recruit will talk to that school's coach on the phone in a matter of minutes.

You tell the truth about important things like money, living conditions, travel, ease with air/train min's from campus,coach's rep, all the pluses in addition to the strengths of the academics you are trying to sell.

No. But the coach at UVA will definitely dump on BC.

Does dumping include stating the fact that they don't have any Men's scholarships and, consequently, are typically last in the ACC?

Does it include the fact that UVA is a better school than BC?

If so, the UVA coach would be simply stating the facts.

Can your program use a national caliber thrower? Can score in multiple events at the Division II and the NAIA level. Can win conference at any division.

Bumpin this for Sarah

Just like the new thread. College coaches lying is nothing new.

-Commit now or you won't get money

-Those times aren't fast enough for money

-You aren't fast enough to make our team

-You don't fit the mold

-We're an up and coming program

-You aren't fast enough to run for that other team

-Don't go there. The coach is a nice guy, they just don't improve

-you're waiting to hear back from Stanford? We both know you aren't fast enough to run there. You need to sign now or you won't get any money

Surprised wrote:

One of the most surprising things in coaching was a few years back when one Ivy League coach was recruiting an athlete of mine, a state champion, at the home of that young lady, he denigrated another Ivy League program! That turned her right off to his prominent Massachusetts school!!!!

Funny that you say that. When I was coaching, I thought it was odd that there was this basic honor code that no one would bad mouth other programs. most coaches get irate if they here they are badmouthed.

I always found that odd that that's how we were supposed to operate and I think that code was particularly strong within the conference.

And what is bad mouth? If you are comparing how your runners develop more than others, is that badmouthing? Most coaches seemed to think any mention of another program was 100% out of bounds.

Your question about honesty is a valid one.

I've always been told it is an act of over-compensating to talk about anything but your own institution in business. That is, at least, how my grand-father, my father, and how I operate. I think most people who are at the pinnacle of their career share the same view. I would find it hard to believe John McDonnell would ever bad mouth another program.

However, on the topic of lying while recruiting, it is my understanding that there are quite a few coaches in all divisions of the NCAA that take advantage of foreigners' lack of understanding/knowledge of how the system works. I've heard quite a few stories about Kenyans signing letters of commitment on visits without having a clue what they were signing. I know an old team mate that did this at a major university.

I was told we had weekly laser tag outings, no such thing ever happened. :-(

As a high school coach I pay close attention to what college coaches tell my kids. I have a handful of runners that are running for various colleges in Texas and while I stay out of the athletes way when they made their final choice of who to sign with, I do guide them on their visits based upon the history of how certain coaches act and talk to my athletes. There are a couple of programs that I absolutely will caution my athletes about. All are based on how athletes are treated (for example, if a coach weighs his female athletes on a regular basis to "monitor water loss" I treat that as a red flag. And yes that is still happening at a program in Texas). If a coach bad mouths another program, or another coach, I treat it as a red flag. I had a college coach tell a bald face lie to one of my runners who knew it was a lie the moment the coach said it. That lie caused that runner to sign with another program in state.

It was all a ploy wrote:

Do most coaches lie and/or bad mouth other programs to potential recruits?