Coaches lying while recruiting

Not the good ones

Yes

It was all a ploy wrote:

Do most coaches lie and/or bad mouth other programs to potential recruits?

It says a lot about the person who will be your coach/mentor/babysitter for the next 4 years.

If he /she bad mouths other coaches/colleges, imagine what is said about you after a poor race/season.

The good coaches need only say good things about their program.

I believe if you ain't lying you ain't trying

Honest bad mouthing counts for something. Lying and bad mouthing does not.

No.

Most Div.1 coaches recruit amongst the usual suspects. It's not like a coach at BC is going to dump on UVa.

It wouldn't do much good to badmouth school-A when the recruit will talk to that school's coach on the phone in a matter of minutes.

You tell the truth about important things like money, living conditions, travel, ease with air/train min's from campus,coach's rep, all the pluses in addition to the strengths of the academics you are trying to sell.

integrity counts wrote:

Honest bad mouthing counts for something. Lying and bad mouthing does not.

Whether it's honest or not, bad mouthing would turn me off to the school if I was a recruit. Whether I'm looking for a job, an education, or a team to run for, I pretty much assume that any institution with something to offer will place the focus on their own strengths rather than their competitions real or fabricated faults.

If you're the best, you'll just tell me about your own positive qualities and it will be obvious that you're better than everyone else.

It wouldn't turn me off. There are some truly bad college coaches, and athletes need to know about it. So many high schoolers are naive, esp. girls. They pick the wrong schools for the wrong reasons. If a coach is only be honest and giving facts, I'd respect that.

I know that one of my athletes was lied to extensively when recruited as a walk-on at Ole Miss, and my understanding from her was that many of the other girls felt the same way. Admittedly, that coach was recently fired, but I think that was for poor performances rather than integrity issues.

I would certainly encourage any borderline athlete to look closely before committing to a DI university; my impression was that they would say whatever it took to get my girl to go there, but then took a crap on her once she was there. Obviously, this is a problem that would vary by school.

the letter why wrote:

I know that one of my athletes was lied to extensively when recruited as a walk-on at Ole Miss, and my understanding from her was that many of the other girls felt the same way. Admittedly, that coach was recently fired, but I think that was for poor performances rather than integrity issues.

I would certainly encourage any borderline athlete to look closely before committing to a DI university; my impression was that they would say whatever it took to get my girl to go there, but then took a crap on her once she was there. Obviously, this is a problem that would vary by school.

Getting caught is the only integrity issue in D1.

If your recruiting at a place like Florida you can be pretty upfront and truthful. When your at a place like South Carolina or even moreso SW Missouri State you better be willing to lie or you ain't going to get any kid.

I was lied to while being recruited, and then my coach explicitly told us to lie to recruits to get them to come there once I was a part of the team. We had some big names come through too... It was pretty disheartening considering nearly no one was happy with the program or the way things were run, and we all felt pretty unhappy about being lied to or at the very least mislead. Most people ended up leaving the program within two years, so this lying business really just created a lose-lose situation, but the coach never learned and continue to lie to recruits. This is at a top tier running school that you all would know too. Of course I can't say which one on here.

I was recruited by other schools and felt like they *seemed fairly honest, though they definitely got angry when I told them I had decided to go somewhere else. Despite all this, I heard very little direct bashing of programs from the coaches I talked with. The athletes at various places definitely had a lot of negative things to say about other schools, but I don't hold that against them.

Word of advice to high school runners: talk to the ATHLETES on recruiting visits and try to get them to open up directly or indirectly about how they feel about the program. If athletes are very unhappy or things are amiss at a place, most athletes will give you subtle hints. You need to look for these hints as they will be lost on a kid who is caught up in the fun and excitement of the visit.

Really depends. My coach absolutely did not lie and told it like it was. Our girls coach however, is well-known among our team to say whatever the girl sitting in front of him wants to hear to get them to come. And then they do, and he runs the talent into the ground. Of the 7 girls in my year, NONE of them made it to graduation on the team. Two got kicked off, four quit, and the fastest one transferred midway through her sophomore year.

Steve Spurrier wrote:

If your recruiting at a place like Florida you can be pretty upfront and truthful. When your at a place like South Carolina or even moreso SW Missouri State you better be willing to lie or you ain\'t going to get any kid.

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I would not call it lying.. More like stretching the truth.

If it is sunny during the visit.. "The weather is like this 365 days a year, even in November!"

Truth: Maybe...

If it is cold or rainy during the visit.. "This is a rare occurrence, the weather is typically great here".

Truth: Maybe...

Is it true that you may not be coaching here next year?.. As far as I am concerned there is just as good of a chance that I will be here as any other coach in the NCAA.

Truth: Most coaches look for higher pay every year, but you have to recruit as if you will be back.

If I improve after signing is their any chance my offer can go up?... "There is always a chance, we just have to take a look at who all signs and what money we have from graduating seniors"

Truth: It may happen on rare occasions, but odds are unless you go from almost walking on to winning nationals, you are not getting a raise unless it is pre determined (some coaches use marks).

Men should only lie to women and children. Not to each other.

One of the most surprising things in coaching was a few years back when one Ivy League coach was recruiting an athlete of mine, a state champion, at the home of that young lady, he denigrated another Ivy League program! That turned her right off to his prominent Massachusetts school!!!!

Not sure if our coaches would ever lie, but they do paint impossible pictures of the truth and speculate things they can't necessarily control

Never bad mouthed anyone, though looking back I wished I had. A lot of kids went to bad places for them and ended up not running after a few years, this even happens to footlocker kids.

I didn't lie. I did paint a if things go right secenrio. "We plan to win conference every year in XC" "When you are ready to run sub 14 we will fly you to Stanford and Washington"

Well actually I did lie, I said "I am not looking to leave here." I was always willing to talk to bigger schools.