Betsy Saina Drops Her PR from 15:12.05 to 14:39.49

wejo wrote:

Well done. Saina, the NCAA 10k champ and XC chap last year for Iowa State, is at a whole different level this year.

Wow, awesome. I'd love to see a summary of what changes led to that kind of improvement if anybody has any insight, or a link to that info or a good interview.

Dontbelievethatisnatural wrote:

On the Kenyan EPO regimen full time now

Scott Simmons coaches her in Colorado, I'm sure he will tell you how they train.

Scott has a knack for getting people to improve quickly in the first 6-18 months.

Yeah he uses a unique combination of altitude training and non-altitude training to boost EPO naturally. Oh and he uses hammers to increase workout difficulty later to simulate racing.

It is called moving away from the mediocrity of NCAA college coaching - with a few notable exceptions (Wetmore).

Would Ajee Wilson be running as fast still competing in the NCAA? Not a chance. Roesler is now going to have to play catch up to a girl three years younger, who has no greater talent, just wisely chose not to waste years in the NCAA.

when the africans decide to actually train they are at a different level...no secrets, being african is the secret

Very well done! I know Simmons has been a long time pupil of the great Joe Vigil. Not quite yet, but eventually the pupil becomes the master (and that's a long road when you talk about Vigil!) Any American coach ever coach a faster W 5,000?

Insaina wrote:

eventually the pupil becomes the master

-- D.V.

Wilson was a world youth champion at 800. Roesler was running every sprint possible in high school as well as 800 off sprint training. Obviously Roesler had NO opportunity to go pro after high school. Going pro was right for Wilson. Going to college was right for Roesler.

Overtraining nearly every runner you get does not constitute great coaching.

real coach wrote:

It is called moving away from the mediocrity of NCAA college coaching - with a few notable exceptions (Wetmore).

Since Coach Ihmels has coached 5 of the 10 fastest ever at 10,000m for women (including Saina), I'd say he is far from mediocre. Taking a girl (Lisa Koll) whose best high school statem meet finish was 3rd place (10:16 3000m I recall) and turning her into a 4x national champion is far from mediocre coaching.

yougottabekiddingme wrote:

wejo wrote:

Well done. Saina, the NCAA 10k champ and XC chap last year for Iowa State, is at a whole different level this year.

Wow, awesome. I'd love to see a summary of what changes led to that kind of improvement if anybody has any insight, or a link to that info or a good interview.

well for one, not having to study.