Lauren Fleshman calls out Jordan Hasay to speak up about the whole situation!!

Fleshman is a hack wrote:

around on twitter acting like a piece of gutter trash. Classless, snide people like her are part of the problem with the sport, way more than the "evil" Nike.

yes, as thread after thread on this 8th grade girls cafeteria table of a website demonstrates!

Seyta wrote:

Here's the thing.

Farah became a world-beater

Levins has improved every PR and taken Canadian Records under him.

Rupp has been with him since high school and has made it to an Olympic Silver.

Cain has been with him for only a short period of time and had gone from high school phenom to one of the best in the US.

Centrowitz just barely missed an Olympic Medal and managed to get another World Silver Medal

Moser has basically resurrected her career

etc.

Incidentally, these are the stars (Moser maybe not so much), and because their livelihood is running, it actually makes NO sense for them to leave. Trust me when I say that they know that Salazar is half-insane with all of his micromanaging this, post-race workouts that, etc. They're with him because he delivers results.

That is all exaggeration.

Centrowith was already at that level before Salazar. If anything, he's been injured and more stagnant under Salazar than before Salazar. He hasn't even raced this season, has he? And his outdoor season last year was poor.

Farah is only marginally better than he was before Salazar. The biggest thing contributing to Farah's success is that all of his top competitors have left, been injured, or retired.

Rupp has improved a lot under Salazar but it's taken over 10 years.

Levins had an ok season last year. But before Salazar, whatever Levins was doing was clearly working for him as he was fast-improving every month. He was already on this trajectory.

Cain has had her biggest jumps in improvement before Salazar. Since joining last year, she has only improved her 1500/mile time by 1-2 seconds. That's significantly slower than the improvement she was making before joining Salazar.

Moser? You're correct about her.

But if you really examine the runners you listed, they were improving just fine or better BEFORE they joined Salazar. Many of them have stagnated or gotten worse. Salazar is just a master at promotion so you don't notice it. Where are Ritz, Erdmann, and Puskedra???

wrinkley leather face wrote:

Gah, looking through her twitter pics I would have guessed she was 52. Googled her and come to find out she is only 32! She is not aging well.

You clearly have a strong argument against her on this issue.

Post reported.

try again Seyta wrote:

Farah is only marginally better than he was before Salazar. The biggest thing contributing to Farah's success is that all of his top competitors have left, been injured, or retired.

So a 26:46 10k with a fast last lap and a sub-3:30 1500 is only 'marginally better' than what Farah was doing before? That's kind of pushing it

fleshwoman wrote:

I agree with everything you say. But at this point, what would you have Hasay do?

Call her agent and do the right thing.

She went to Oregon so may not be able to write it herself, but she could easily put out a very short press release stating that she congratulates the best runner on the day for her USATF victory and wishes her the best representing team USA at World Championships.

This would look great. Now she looks spineless. This is an adult.

The Mask of Portlandtillado wrote:

So a 26:46 10k with a fast last lap and a sub-3:30 1500 is only 'marginally better' than what Farah was doing before? That's kind of pushing it

I meant in the 5k/10k. Sure, whatever Salazar did for his 1500 is more than marginal, but I meant his primary events. Farah was somewhere around 12:50 shape before he joined Salazar. A 12:50 runner should have no problem running 26:46 with a fast last lap. If anything, he's lost endurance since then (his dodging of Bekele at Pre, his loss to Bekele at BUPA, and his insistence on only running sit and kick races).

Defense wins championships wrote:

If Hasay wants to keep her Nike contract she shouldn't say anything. Nike owns USATF and most athletes. There's nothing anyone can do about it. If NIKE pulls out of running - the sport is finished.

No. People will be competing in track and field regardless of Nike's presence, and there are plenty of other companies sponsoring athletes and actually showing loyalty rather than throwing our greats (eg Meb) under the bus.

Without Nike, track in the US will just be less corrupt.

No more Felix-Tarmoh reversed photo-finishes? No more appealed appeals of the appeal when a Nike athlete gets spanked?

Sounds good.

Shalene Flanagan joins the fray:

"Shalane Flanagan ‏@ShalaneFlanagan 2h

I must not understand the rules of my sport. Massively disappointed and upset to see both @gg_runs and @abumbalough get DQ at USA indoors."

https://twitter.com/ShalaneFlanagan

rupp-certified rage-on wrote:

Call her agent and do the right thing.

She went to Oregon so may not be able to write it herself, but she could easily put out a very short press release stating that she congratulates the best runner on the day for her USATF victory and wishes her the best representing team USA at World Championships.

This would look great. Now she looks spineless. This is an adult.

If Grunewald has already been DQ'd, Hasay's withdrawal from team consideration doesn't put Grunewald on the team.

ha what an ignorant tweeet from fleshman. stay out of something you're not directly involved in. she just makes herself look pathetic by doing this. yes, hasay should perhaps speak out. no, fleshman, you don't need to be an instigator

good game wrote:

ha what an ignorant tweeet from fleshman. stay out of something you're not directly involved in. she just makes herself look pathetic by doing this. yes, hasay should perhaps speak out. no, fleshman, you don't need to be an instigator

So exactly how are you directly involved in this? Or are you just a hypocrite?

In her prime, few were as hot in bun huggers as Lauren Fleshman.

Most of the Fleshman hatred is probably brought forth by bitter Duck fans still angry she went to Stanford.

Fleshman ran at a high level for a dozen years and she sure knows what a foul is and what isn't, as does Flanagan.

Kudos to these women for speaking out. It's a misogynistic world sometimes on letsrun, a sweaty male locker room that gets apoplectic when women with credentials far greater than theirs speak out.

im not a professional athlete idiot. fleshman should let the matter get sorted out and not instigate a fellow competitor to do something when she isn't involved with the matter. its irrelevant if this applies to me as well, im stating my opinion.

good game wrote:

im not a professional athlete idiot. fleshman should let the matter get sorted out and not instigate a fellow competitor to do something when she isn't involved with the matter. its irrelevant if this applies to me as well, im stating my opinion.

Your very stupid, are you not?

Fleshman is a hack wrote:

If Fleshman wants to be relevant on the running scene (as you can see she desperately does) maybe she should train and run fast again. Until then she should just shut up and stop running her mouth. She preaches for Jordan to "woman up" while she goes around on twitter acting like a piece of gutter trash. Classless, snide people like her are part of the problem with the sport, way more than the "evil" Nike.

I'm sick and tired of these washed up sub elites taking out the frustration if unrealized dreams on their shoe sponsors who rightly dropped them.

Why doesn't Fleshman have as much right to express her opinion as anyone else on this board? She has said nothing with regard to this incident that has not already been expressed here.

The difference is that she is willing to use her name and take whatever criticism may come her way.

It's funny to see how this controversy brings out the inner bully in some posters.

Lauren Fleshman is old! She gives BJs out of a van! She's wrinkled! She should shut up and know her place! She was never among the top few runners in the world anyway! She's not fast enough to have an opinion!

Shameful. I detect a strong strain of misogyny that lies latent in most of these posters, and it manifests itself when emotions run high.

Can't see anything wrong with what Flehman said. If you think about it, it's kind of sad when people say "Hasay's right to keep her mouth shut". After all, at its core, the issue is largely about her and Grunewald. People are so used to Salazar being a control-freak egomaniac that they sometimes consider the athletes themselves mere extensions of Salazar's personality.

good game wrote:

fleshman should let the matter get sorted out and not instigate a fellow competitor

Salazar should let the matter get sorted out and not bully officials into BREAKING THE RULES.

To me it\'s a difficult call. If I had to make it, I would rule it a foul. There were two ways out. Back out and around, or through Hasay\'s legs, and GG chose the disruptive path. Barely. While I could see points in either direction, I don\'t think the big win factors in. Nike supreme influence may, but I was not there for that. 10 slow replays later (and don\'t forget an official on the site flagged it) I think it was a foul. Milder than many, but clearly disruptive. Have others gotten away with worse? Not a defense in my mind. That said, I can see why the officials waffled--judgment call for sure, but we all seem to fall into camps on this one.

The fun part? Unlike an amazing and historic pole vault record, this is getting a lot of the kind of attention that tiny issues in baseball and football do. Look at the MB fill up.