An Open Letter To Suzy Favor Hamilton

au contraire wrote:

She was married. Did she take vows when she got married? Where I come from, having sex with lots of men other than your husband is called "fornication." It falls outside your vows.

Which vow is this?

I've been to a lot of weddings recently, and even officiated one where I wrote the service - the vow to which you refer is (often) not included.

In short, you make a lot of assumptions.

(And I think it goes without saying that you and all the other moralizers on this board would judge a man who slept around much, much less harshly.)

Canova>God wrote:

Who cares what she did to make money? I for one have no problem with it. I just do not see what is so wrong about it. If this is what she wants to do who are you to stop her.

As long as the same goes for your wife or daughter I have no beef with your post.

SKATE wrote:

Regardless of the morality issue, she broke the law. I think we are forgetting that. All those involved were criminally culpable. Haley Heston is under investigation for several federal crimes. She should be prosecuted.

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Guess what this is Las Vegas and the state of Nevada , guess what , who do you think some of the clients are ( local big wigs ) , guess who will help her with any legal issues that may surface. ( high end big name pro bono attorney )

Guess what , her clients are not insurance salesmen from Ohio in town for a convention , the high rollers will spend whatever it takes to keep their names out of the press.

Oh I would also guess this is not the 1st time her agency has a had a problem with a "staff member" and they know what to do.

BTW , she was never caught in the act.

All of which MIGHT sound deniable...except she i'sn't

YOU FOOL!

Former Elite From Your Era wrote:

Dear Suzy,

You've done nothing wrong.

You think criminal activity is ok for a married mother?

No, I'm not "a Duck."

As far as cheating on her husband...none of us knows the discussions that took place. She could have said "I want to do this, and maybe we should get divorced." And possibly he said "I am against it, but I will agree to a separation while you get this out of your system, or decide that you really want to pursue this and we can divorce at a later date."

Americans have this thing where the "cheating" thing is supposed to automatically be a marriage death penalty.

And it is not. Most marriages have "infidelity" and they don't all end in marriage. I know one Hollywood couple, well known character actors -- you've seen him in everything. Both he and his wife had affairs, unbeknownst to the other -- and they had two kids -- and they talked it out -- about why it happened, neither of them were of the mind set to throw the other person away. They had known each other since childhood, were friends as kids...and in their case that realized that that was part of the problem, they married real young...anyway they talked it out, forgave each other...there relationship got stronger and they have been together happily ever since.

One of my best friends regularly "let's" his wife go on dates with friends of theirs. She has a need for (in a role reversal) variety...and he let's her step out of the marriage 4-8 times a year. And it makes her happy. She loves him truly -- he's a great looking guy, and a very nice dude...and he just has no jealousy. My former roommate, same way, in an open marriage. The often play with other couples.

In many cities around the world their are sub-cultures of sensual parties, sex parties, "play parties" and the old fashion swing parties.

What may not be my thing, doesn't mean I am going to judge others for it.

And thanks to those that agree with me, that she ought to be able to have a free erotic life...and than running for cover and taking the "born again" way out would be the worst thing.

I think she ought to own this proudly, promote it as women's sexual sexual liberation -- yes express regret that she wasn't smart enough for her real name to get revealed, and that yes she and her husband will be homeschooling her daughter to protect her from a shaming and sexual sexual hunting society.

To the person that does not think that this is a society that shames women's sexuality... Your response is proof of that. Your response is wrote and reactionary.

The "born again" response to a "scandal" like this is old.

Just own up, that you loved it, the clock was ticking towards 50, and it was the last chance you had to pursue this fantasy...something women have done for centuries...etc. etc. etc.

BTW, for those that do not know "sex positive" is a whole field of attitudes, new thought, new philosophy, new morals regarding sex in the modern age.

In Northern California there are half a dozen major group sex intersecting social circles...as well as sex clubs for couples and hot singles to play out their fantasies...one of these groups has been in existence for 40 years...do some googling...there is a lot of forward looking thought on sex and sexual practice out there.

Just because you are a bible thumper, or grew up someplace provincial doesn't mean these things aren't going on...with people you'd consider completely classy and normal as friends or co-workers.

There are a number of famous people in business and pro sports in the bay area that have occasionally talked openly about being in the play party lifestyle. Check out Burning Man, it isn't stoned out hippies, it is 50-60's free spirits, the majority of the women there are hot and own their sexuality proudly. Some freaks, but mostly just hot women in great artistic skimpy costumes (okay the styles are a bit cliche now...but the point is there are much more open societies out there."

As far as laws broken, she can pay the taxes, first timer fines, probation and move on...hopefully with massive book deal, and massive movie/media deal.

The smart way to handle this is to not take the psychiatric/religious ways out. Take the "I pursued a desire that is not everyone's choice in the USA, and I am not ashamed of it, just wish I had done it smarter so I was not found out. I might have gotten it out of my system and had a lot of good memories before I have gray hair...etc. Fly the adventure proud...be honest. I am sure the only thing she regrets is being found out. Sounds like she pursued some fantasy and kink of hers and it was a good experience until being outed.

I don't doubt that she was depressed and seeking thrills...but there are thousands of never knowing definitively all the reasons for that. Again, maybe doing this for a few year would have fulfilled some unmet needs and then she would be done. I know several woman friends who were sex workers for a few years, made money, put it into other businesses, got it out of their system and went on to be fine upstanding business owners, and never regretted their past.

My point is, if you are a religious person, or a person who thinks you have a right to judge and condemn her...you are just flat out wrong. Her morals don't have to be your morals, and no you don't get to try and control the whole world and make them live your way. There are many ways of living -- and sometimes in this society the prudes want to judge those that want to live differently. And no, you don't get to control them. Grow up, and deal with that.

And for you real prudes out there, probably 65% of woman are bisexual or are open to bisexual experiences. In a judeo-crhistian society that shames sex...women are trained to hide their sexuality. There is a reason places have things like "exotic-erotic" parties. They meet needs in society.

Some people see sex as fun, and also emotional and meaningful. I personally can't separate it out like that, but I don't judge my friends who can and do.

And again, thanks to those that expand the thinking on this and just don't judge her. The issues to work out with her family are issues that can be worked out. She'll have options here, and the child can and should be protected from a school where any bullying or shaming would go on, i.e. home schooling. And the child's society will grow up more tolerant than the society of most of the old farts on this board. (My experience has been that the younger the woman I have dated, the more open, free, healthy, and unhung up about sex they. Better in bed subsequently).

There is a whole wide world out there that is very different than the world some of you live in...and that doesn't make it wrong.

3/10

"65% of woman are bisexual or are open to bisexual experiences"

In my dreams.

Your statement is BS.

"One of my best friends regularly "let's" his wife go on dates with friends of theirs. She has a need for (in a role reversal) variety...and he let's her step out of the marriage 4-8 times a year. And it makes her happy. She loves him truly -- he's a great looking guy, and a very nice dude...and he just has no jealousy. My former roommate, same way, in an open marriage. The often play with other couples."

She has a need for variety? What a shallow and superficial way of putting it. Guarantee if you dig and dig, you'll find that this "need" comes from a deep level of insecurity, dissatisfaction, and the "need" to feel valued. In short, she's seeking a legitimate need in an illegitimate way. Possibly derived from an overall unhealthy relationship/bond with her father (which causes most girls to "find it" in other men, usually in an unhealthy way; "sex" being the band-aid on a very real and legitimate wound). Oh she has this feeling and need, it must be right! What a pathetic logical outworking....feelings (while important) unharnessed are so subjective and surface-level...In some countries, people value human beings, in others, they eat them; all based on "feeling". The "I feel it, it must be right" argument falls apart when put under the microscope. "It makes her happy". No it doesn't bc happiness is largely based on circumstances; I guarantee she has no legitimate Joy (completely different from happiness), at all, hence, the need to "feed this crave" constantly (again, she copes and/or has unhealthy co-dependencies - a legitimate need being TEMPORARILY satisfied in an illegitimate way - again, she has no lasting JOY, nothing that will endure, she has to "feed this need" bc she is UNHAPPY and thinks this will make her "happy" which again, by her actions proves it doesn't. I would wager her capacity to have true intimacy, emotional depth, and complete peace is severely lacking. It's like people who have more money than they know what to do with, yet lay in bed awake at night feeling completely void and empty bc they think these "needs" will ultimately fulfill them (which they don't) bc they constantly need "more" in order to feel "satisfied". What a sorry way to live and what a fantasy that has no depth, no meaning, no purpose, no joy, and no life.

Dont' even get me started on the husband. What a joke. No balls whatsoever. She obviously doesn't respect him, neither does he respect himself (funny how that works: you don't respect yourself, therefore, nobody respects you and they walk all over you! huh, weird?). I would assume they have money. If they didn't have some false sense of security, there's no way it would last (as we all know how unhealthy this pathetic excuse for a marriage sounds). If not money, there's some false sense of security holding them together. Guaranteed if you removed their "security", the "relationship" would fall to pieces. Again, there's probably no emotional depth or intimacy, no real solid foundation for their "relationship" to stand on. "A very nice dude...he has no jealousy" Bullsh**. Again, he has no balls, therefore, he bottles his emotions most likely. He's too much of a pu**y to deal with reality, therefore, he masks his true emotions someway or another I'm sure. "she loves him truly" Clearly. He's obviously not enough (and never will be), therefore, she has to go looking elsewhere to further feed her insecurities and needs to feel valued, accepted, and legitimized. I dare you to define what love actually is and actually provide a satisfactory answer. And don't feed me the "it's a feeling" or "it's what your heart tells you" nonsense. Gosh, there are so many sh**ty friend out there who tell their "friends" what they want to hear as opposed to what they need to hear. "As long as your "happy" do what you want!" What garbage. The truth hurts, it does. But I'd rather save my friends from living in a false sense of reality (or a damaging one!). That's what i expect them to do for me. A good friend tells the truth even if it's hard to do so or not popular. Why? It shows you actually care about them enough to prevent them from hurting themselves and others more so. More often than not they're gonna do what they want to do anyways, but when their life goes to sh*t for making poor choices, they're gonna come back to you bc hopefully they'll be humbled enough to want to hear the truth and be in a position to recieve it (and respect you enough bc you were the one person to tell them what they needed to hear, not what they wanted to hear). That's all, I'm done.

Former Elite From Your Era wrote:

Americans have this thing where the "cheating" thing is supposed to automatically be a marriage death penalty.

Americans are the only people on the planet that think it's reasonable to expect your spouse not to sleep around with other people?

Normal male wrote:

She is a gorgeous women than likes sex, what's wrong with that? My fifty year old wife is hot too, but Suzy is at a different level. Please stay away from the quack doctors. Pick yourself up, make some money on the movie, interview circuit and take care of your daughter.

This ^ is a correct assessment.

Strom jr. wrote:

she has "a personal evolution"

how rich

wtf does that even mean...

she's a part-time hooker with a family

and, yes, i reiterate:

SHE DID DO WRONG

(the fact that you can't comprehend the difference between moral and immoral is symptomatic of vile AMERICAN POP CULTURE i want NO part of)

porn stars and "escorts" are whores, not cool individualists

You are nothing more than a moral and/or christian zealot who revels in the condemnation of others.

luv2run wrote:

3/10

Ok, now back to your teen social media site.

Former Elite From Your Era wrote:

My point is, if you are a religious person, or a person who thinks you have a right to judge and condemn her...you are just flat out wrong. Her morals don't have to be your morals, and no you don't get to try and control the whole world and make them live your way. There are many ways of living -- and sometimes in this society the prudes want to judge those that want to live differently. And no, you don't get to control them. Grow up, and deal with that.

What she was doing was against the law, even in Las Vegas.

Not all laws are good laws

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm

Stiffler2 wrote:

Not all laws are good laws

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm

You're comparing laws against prostitution to Jim Crow laws?

Facepalm! writes: Yeah, SFH was born into a Taliban-dominated society.

Facepalm! writes: Yeah, the seismic shift in sex mores that got quite rocking in the late 1960s was not merely tried and found wanting, it was tried and found catastrophic. Of course, if one mentions, for example, the HIV pandemic, someone on this board will protest that it's only an epidemic, not a pandemic.

Facepalm! writes: SFH's brother was a suicide, she faked a fall in an Olympic final, and now this. Perhaps she is sick. I certainly hope that she and her family can overcome all their troubles.

Facepalm! writes: Yeah, where I was born (the Bronx), the abortion rate in 2009 or 2010 was 48% of known pregnancies. And if you read "The New York Times," you learn that these abortions were somehow "safe." Now those facts are sick.

Facepalm! writes: Former Elite From Your Era could here be mistaken for one he might describe as a Family Values advocate.

Facepalm! writes: Umm, whatever happened to bonding deeply to someone as a result of sex? I think that is a very natural part of sex.

Facepalm! writes: Which is America's sexual morality, that of the 1950s when about 5% of kids were born out of wedlock, or that of today, when about 41% are born out of wedlock? Even in the racially oppressive 1950s, black families were much stronger than today.

Facepalm! writes: I think we could stand some more repression. Some people think every feeling needs to be explored or expressed.

Facepalm! writes: And come to where, New York City, where about 2% of the population is HIV positive, and the abortion rate for all five boroughs is 40%? And aren't there more dogs than children in San Francisco? (Nothing against dogs.)

I agree she should do the book/movie deal, but culminate a fairy tail ending by getting into masters T&F and busting some records out of reach. I bet should could still qualify for the 16 Trials in 5 or 10K.

Good god some of you moralists have issues of your own. Pathetic little righteous dweeb hypocrits who can't even get it up!

It is her life and the issue is between her and her husband, and yes, someday, her daughter. She does seem have some unmet emotional needs or problems. But who in the living fook are you to judge you dour leering limpdick motherfookers!?