Edward Cheserek - What Happened?

Cheserek is the prime example of a guy training and competing in the east. He has raced so much through CC and indoor that he is done come outdoor. I'm sure he will be fine come CC and if he decides to take a break after CC instead of going right into hard indoor racing he will run great times next spring.

Peaked? Are you serious? He is in high school and that could mean it could be 30 different things causing him to run a little slower.

He has until he is about 28 to peak for middle distance stuff.

imim wrote:

Cheserek is the prime example of a guy training and competing in the east. He has raced so much through CC and indoor that he is done come outdoor. I'm sure he will be fine come CC and if he decides to take a break after CC instead of going right into hard indoor racing he will run great times next spring.

It's not that he is racing on the east coast that is the problem, it's that his coach raced him so often and hard that is the problem. Plenty of kids from the east go on to run well in college and beyond. Just have to be smart.

college runner.. wrote:

It's not that he is racing on the east coast that is the problem, it's that his coach raced him so often and hard that is the problem. Plenty of kids from the east go on to run well in college and beyond. Just have to be smart.

I think that is what he was trying to say...not that he is done because he is overworked....just that with cross country into december, and the heavy indoor into outdoor track that the east coast tends to run, he was dead by the end of outdoor so his times suffered. That's all. He will be back to fine this fall probably. They just need to back off all that racing.

the US has 36yo 1500m, 35yo 800m, 30yo 100m, and 33yo 400H runners on the team for London, and you think he might have peaked at 18-21?

Mr. Battery wrote:

Why does he suck so much now? I thought he was going to destroy LV's times?

Nearly DFL at the Jim Ryun Dream Mile. Only an 8:55 2 mile this year when he ran 8:42 INDOORS last year.

Methinks he's 1 or 2 years older and has peaked.

Mr. Battery wrote:

Why does he suck so much now? I thought he was going to destroy LV's times?

Nearly DFL at the Jim Ryun Dream Mile. Only an 8:55 2 mile this year when he ran 8:42 INDOORS last year.

Methinks he's 1 or 2 years older and has peaked.

He ran that 8:42 being rabbited by the greatest high school runner of all time. He had no one to help him outdoors with the 2 mile.

Fluffy wrote:

He ran that 8:42 being rabbited by the greatest high school runner of all time. He had no one to help him outdoors with the 2 mile.

jim ryun rabbited him?

someone had to do it wrote:

Fluffy wrote:

He ran that 8:42 being rabbited by the greatest high school runner of all time. He had no one to help him outdoors with the 2 mile.

jim ryun rabbited him?

Nope I said the greatest high school runner of all time, which is Lukas Verzbicas. Ryun was only good in the mile. Verzbicas dominated XC, indoor, and outdoor track.

Cheserek broke 1:50 flat scratch , won NB Outoors in 8:50's going away , he ran multiple 1:50-51's anchored Penn winner going away, I would hardly say he is done. Tired at the end, possibly after a ton of races? Yes.

His worst day was 4:07 in the mile at NY Dream HS mile? Wow, every other year, folks would normally get excited over a HS Junior running this, since he is not from here, folks find ways to get on him.After all he did run ONLY 4:02 last year and 4:01 indoors this year.

But you all love Lagat don't ya, Lomong? Yes you do.Lomong has that every Kenyan person birthday who is mysterious of 1/1/xxxx, and was clearly a year old in HS, yet he carried the flag, and it was a great story.

I like Lomong, but when I saw him in paddock in HS indoor mile , I said, "he surely does not look like the other children!"

Yet, never a bad word regarding Lomong, nor should there be, really.

He did a lot of high level racing this year. I think he lost twice, once after two races at Indoors Nats already in the two days prior, and once outdoors?

Amazing to me the haters on here of Cheserek, yet the adoration of a Lagat? Who came here after HS, ran for Kenya as a U.S. citizen, failed a drug test, got Lassiter to help him in a race. The hypocrisy is rampant.

Too many guys are front line winner pickers everywhere, anymore, you will root for anyone who makes your team better, criminals in pro sports, drug cheats in Track.

Yet folks criticize this guy, call him too old, etc etc. Seriously? Anyone that knows him or sees him regularly does not question his age, or his character.

Fluffy? Jim Ryun was only good at the mile?

Surely some of you need a history course.

Ryun ran faster at 17 than LV did at 18 and 7 months

He ran 3:55 at 18 and 3 months, get serious.

He ran the same as The WR then at 800 converted down from 1:44.9 880, when he was 19

He then ran the WR at 1500 at 20 and 2 months, the WR, in a pretty frequently competed event.

He ran 8:25 for two miles when he was still a Junior Age runner.His 8:25 as a college freshman was the American Record at the time, and he did it beating Kip Keino.

Get a clue on how to evaluate guys, really.

TLW wrote:

He has until he is about 28 to peak for middle distance stuff.

Sooo...... another year or two then?

Lagat never failed a drug test. Get your facts straight, bub.

The reason for him performing poorly in the Dream Mile is due to a poor start. I'm not saying the race is won in the 1st 100 meters, but if you watch the video, the race official told him to take a step back off the line and as he did the other official fired the gun. Hoping to run well under 4 minutes, he sprinted to the front of the pack and suffered for doing so. So I don't the Dream Mile performance can be a good indicator of him being burned out.

Bub corrector wrote:

Lagat never failed a drug test. Get your facts straight, bub.

You seem to forget his 2003 A sample tested positive for EPO.

Sample B clearly had another substance that took time to denature the EPO

So where is Ed taking his talents in the fall?

lagat was so doped wrote:

You seem to forget his 2003 A sample tested positive for EPO.

Sample B clearly had another substance that took time to denature the EPO

You seem to forget how the process of testing works, in which two samples are tested to avoid a false positive. If you think a false positive is impossible, you should probably stop commenting on these things.

So this denaturing agent, how long does it take to work? Seems odd that it would allow the first sample to test positive but the second negative. Is it a delayed action? And I guess the testers didn't find it suspicious that his B sample contained no EPO, natural or otherwise?

Ryun ran sub4 when he was 16; wasn't Verzbicas only a freshman at 16? Webb, Ryun, Lindgren and Pre were all better high school runners than Verzbicas and they did it at two years youger age. The difference between 17yo and 19yo is massive.

For all we can be sure, Cheserek could be 17 or he could be 25. There could be many reasons for drops in performance: injury, ennui, overtraining, under-training, girl trouble.

Bub corrector wrote:

lagat was so doped wrote:

You seem to forget his 2003 A sample tested positive for EPO.

Sample B clearly had another substance that took time to denature the EPO

You seem to forget how the process of testing works, in which two samples are tested to avoid a false positive. If you think a false positive is impossible, you should probably stop commenting on these things.

So this denaturing agent, how long does it take to work? Seems odd that it would allow the first sample to test positive but the second negative. Is it a delayed action? And I guess the testers didn't find it suspicious that his B sample contained no EPO, natural or otherwise?

Sweet lord.

ask any dopeboy you know wrote:

the US has 36yo 1500m, 35yo 800m, 30yo 100m, and 33yo 400H runners on the team for London, and you think he might have peaked at 18-21?

Mr. Battery wrote:

Why does he suck so much now? I thought he was going to destroy LV's times?

Nearly DFL at the Jim Ryun Dream Mile. Only an 8:55 2 mile this year when he ran 8:42 INDOORS last year.

Methinks he's 1 or 2 years older and has peaked.

I've seen high schoolers peak at 16 and never improve their next two years.

Peaking can also mean "burn out."