German Fernandez in Texas Relays!

Smith has two straight XC national titles, so he must be doing something very right. Lowe, among others, has developed very well. Smith didn't create Fernandez's achilles problems and he didn't ask Fernandez to go vegan or vegetarian. Even GF's hs coach wasn't able to keep him healthy a lot of the time, though he certainly did a fantastic job in limiting his speedwork and mileage to what was necessary for the records. Anyway, with the 7:53 and the high NCAA XC finish this year, he's not having a bad year and the 1:52 indicates that he's probably not that far off his 3:39 shape. Let's let the season come to an end before bemoaning Smith's destruction of the golden boy.

those are good points.

German ate a salad, and i'm a great coach!

we shall see what happens!

jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Smith has two straight XC national titles, so he must be doing something very right. Lowe, among others, has developed very well. Smith didn't create Fernandez's achilles problems and he didn't ask Fernandez to go vegan or vegetarian. Even GF's hs coach wasn't able to keep him healthy a lot of the time, though he certainly did a fantastic job in limiting his speedwork and mileage to what was necessary for the records. Anyway, with the 7:53 and the high NCAA XC finish this year, he's not having a bad year and the 1:52 indicates that he's probably not that far off his 3:39 shape. Let's let the season come to an end before bemoaning Smith's destruction of the golden boy.

Smith has won two straight XC titles by recruiting. Coaching has played NO part in his successes.

At least 5 of the 7 runners on their XC team wouldn't be there if he wouldn't have scored the deal of his life by getting Fernandez there. And that's guaranteed.

Below is a breakdown of this years championship XC team and details of what a great coaching job smith has done. incredible.

1. 73 Oklahoma State ( 30:05

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1 5 460 Girma Mecheso JR 29:48 (ETHIOPIA)

ran a 28:26 two years prior at Auburn

Finished 16th at NCAAs in XC two years prior at Auburn

2 6 455 German Fernandez JR 29:50

should have been working towards his second or third individual XC title by now

3 7 457 Colby Lowe JR 29:58

ran 8:47 outdoors and 4:08 indoors in highschool which according to the macmillan calculators equals a 29:37 for 10k. In his 3 years since HS at OSU he has run 29:16 for 10k

4 25 454 Tom Farrell FR 30:22 (UNITED KINGDOM)

Great Britain's top finisher at the 2009 World Junior Cross Country Championships in Amman, Jordan, placing 58th at the event ... Claimed the 3,000 meter title at the 2009 English schools outdoor track championships ... Took third representing Great Britain at an international event in Lisbon, Portugal in 2009.

5 30 465 Johnathan Stublaski JR 30:27

Ran 51.9, 1:51, 4:16, and 9:23 in HS as well as finishing second in XC

has run 1:54.90, 3:42.20, 4:05.31, 8:19.39(3k) in his 4 years at OSU

6 ( 54) 458 Joseph Manilafasha FR 30:45(BURUNDI/DENVER)

Has run 8:35(3k) and 14:23 in 2 years at OSU

High School: Attended North HS in Denver, where he was coached by Jeff Young ... Colorado Runner of the Year as a sophomore and as a senior ... Two-time 4A State Champion ... Three-time Foot Locker Finalist ... Set course records in seven of the eight races in which he competed his sophomore year ...

7 (137) 463 Ryan Prentice SO 31:46

In his 3 years at OSU he has run 4:00 for 1500, 8:14 for 3k, and 14:16 for 5k

in HS three years earlier he ran 4:16 for the mile, 8:59 for 2 miles,

High School: 2007 champion in the 5,000 meters at the USA Track and Field Junior Olympic National Championships ... 2008 Washington state champion in the mile and the two-mile ... Washington state cross country champion in 2007 ... Clocked at 8:59.76 in the 3,200 meters at the 2008 Shoreline Invitational ... Third-place finisher in the 3,200 meters at the class AAA Washington state meet with a 9:06 ... 2008 Seattle Post-Intelligencer Most Valuable Player ... Set a personal best of 4:16.70 in the 1,600 meters his senior year.

good use of evidence, except that you can't use xc times as proof, and most of this outdoor track season is to come.

but:

colby lowe just ran 28:45, breaking a 39 year old school record and his 5k pr is 13:42 (13:45i), substantially better than 8:47 2M.

"Lowe Sets 10k Record at Stanford

Cowboys junior breaks 39-year old school record

March 26, 2011

PALO ALTO, Calif. – The Oklahoma State track and field program wrapped its competition at the Stanford Invitational this weekend as junior Colby Lowe provided the highlight when he finished the men’s 10,000 meters in a school-record time of 28:45.91."

Correcting the link

http://www.ocolly.com/polopoly_fs/1.2143402

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jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

good use of evidence, except that you can't use xc times as proof, and most of this outdoor track season is to come.

but:

colby lowe just ran 28:45, breaking a 39 year old school record and his 5k pr is 13:42 (13:45i), substantially better than 8:47 2M.

"Lowe Sets 10k Record at Stanford

Cowboys junior breaks 39-year old school record

March 26, 2011

PALO ALTO, Calif. – The Oklahoma State track and field program wrapped its competition at the Stanford Invitational this weekend as junior Colby Lowe provided the highlight when he finished the men’s 10,000 meters in a school-record time of 28:45.91."

Each piece of evidence provided track times to compare.

And do you not think Colby Lowe's HS coach could have taken a minute off his 10k with one more year of training? This took him 4 years at OSU to do.

Okay, the link is right. It needs to be copied and pasted.

jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

colby lowe just ran 28:45, breaking a 39 year old school record and his 5k pr is 13:42 (13:45i), substantially better than 8:47 2M.

that darn Colby keeps doing what he wants to do

he just ignores me darn it

MichaelMatthews wrote:

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And do you not think Colby Lowe's HS coach could have taken a minute off his 10k with one more year of training? This took him 4 years at OSU to do.

Nice to bring facts into the discussion. Would be nicer if the facts were true.

Lowe is now in his third year at OSU. He ran his recent 10k at the very beginning of the outdoor season.

If you had said "This took him 2.5 years at OSU to do" you would have come across as accurate, reasonable and perhaps correct in your conclusions. Saying 4 years, however, leaves you looking like a blatant liar with a bone to pick.

Sorry, just keep your facts straight and you'll do better next time.

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MichaelMatthews wrote:

Each piece of evidence provided track times to compare.

And do you not think Colby Lowe's HS coach could have taken a minute off his 10k with one more year of training? This took him 4 years at OSU to do.

He never ran a goddamned 29 minute 10k in high school you twat! Just because his two mile time equates to it does not mean he ever could have run it. Its an equivalent performance, not the time he was capable of running. He would still have been sub 31, no doubt, but there is no way he would be running low 29s.

Don't you remember when Colby was in High School, and everyone was saying he would amount to nothing because he ran for a PAAVO program (low mileage/high intensity)? He's adapted quite well to higher mileage, it would seem.

You drive me batty MichaelMatthews. You're either a very committed troll, or you're brain damaged. Your grasp on reality seems tenuous at best.

All one has to do is look back at some conference results over the years to realize Dave Smith is a terrible coach. His top 3 or so guys may run well from time to time, but everyone else is run into the ground. I think they had more runners DNF than actually finish a couple of years. When one person DNFs, that could be due to anything, but when half the team does multiple years?

Besides that the guy can be a pretty big asshole. He'd probably kill old ladies if he thought it would benefit himself in any way. Seriously, the guy is the biggest prick I've ever met.

It's too bad one of the most talented runners America has ever had went to a shit school like OSU. Imagine what he'd be running if he had spent the last three years up in Eugene. Even the less talented party drunk Acosta has run 3:51 or 3:52.

Oh well, live and learn I guess.

You don't win national championships with 3 runners. He is evidently doing something right.

Yes, of course OSU gets talent. Nobody in the top ten at NCAA's is doing it on coaching alone. But OSU's talent is not better than Stanford or Oregon's - the difference is coaching.

lllll wrote:

You don't win national championships with 3 runners. He is evidently doing something right.

Yes, of course OSU gets talent. Nobody in the top ten at NCAA's is doing it on coaching alone. But OSU's talent is not better than Stanford or Oregon's - the difference is coaching.

This is the first good point anyone has made. OSU gets good talent for sure, but they don't get any more talent than Stanford or Oregon, yet they've won the last two national titles. They must be doing something right.

I just don't get why everyone believes that GF should be winning the national cross country race. He never won footlocker in highschool. As a matter of fact, GF never wins any race where he's gotten a ton of challengers. He's basically a glorified time trialer. Does he ever win races where there are multiple lead changes or someone else hammering hard from the gun. Even his national 1500 title was a race he was aloud to control from the front and just run away from everyone. GF is just the rare individual who runs better alone, than with a ton of competition.

Has he ever won a race he didn't control from the front???

He graduated in 2008. 3 years. My apologies.

Fact Checker wrote:

MichaelMatthews wrote:

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And do you not think Colby Lowe's HS coach could have taken a minute off his 10k with one more year of training? This took him 4 years at OSU to do.

Nice to bring facts into the discussion. Would be nicer if the facts were true.

Lowe is now in his third year at OSU. He ran his recent 10k at the very beginning of the outdoor season.

If you had said "This took him 2.5 years at OSU to do" you would have come across as accurate, reasonable and perhaps correct in your conclusions. Saying 4 years, however, leaves you looking like a blatant liar with a bone to pick.

Sorry, just keep your facts straight and you'll do better next time.

Still don't care

aloud? aloud?!? You have got to be kidding me.

Dude,

He is IN his 3rd year. That means that right now he has 2.5 years at OK State. When he finishes this year, THEN it is 3 years.

Get it. When you are a freshman, you are IN your first year, but you don't have 1 year yet. When you are a soph you are in your 2nd year, and you have 1 year in the program. When you are a junior??

Get it now. I'm going slow, cuz you are seemingly a bit slow on the uptake.

MichaelMatthews wrote:

2 6 455 German Fernandez JR 29:50

should have been working towards his second or third individual XC title by now

I am VERY curious as to how you can think this. German didn't even win Footlockers in high school. You set expectations WAYYYY too high.

I would think replicating what Derrick has done would have been an optimistic yet achievable goal (3 years top 10). His first year, who knows what would have happened if not for the injury. Most would agree he was on his way to a top 10. He looked damn good that year in cross. Sophomore year, that was a disaster. Some great runners have years like that (Solinsky and McDougal come to mind recently). And then this past year he put it together and was top 10. Decent enough. Plus two team championships.

Part of the problem with German is some peoples expectations on the kid are ridiculous. I used to fall into it myself, he's an exciting runner.