could be a safety issue
could be a safety issue
kirkaz wrote:
could be a safety issue
Exactly.
To: Who Cares?
Not to mention,
1. Some people did openly post their names before - you'd be able to confirm that if the threads weren't deleted.
2. If there was truly a legal issue about any of our posts, the LetsRun policy clearly states they have our IP addresses and we are responsible for what we post.
3. Kind of ironic for you to call people out for being "anonymous cowards", but you... posted that anonymously. Set the example, big shot.
The Stache wrote:
To be sure, the Brojos do have to be damn careful here. This is a real person who lives in the US, and unlike all us, they are clearly identifiable people associated with this website. If The Brojos are willing to undertake this, they will have to monitor the thread VERY carefully to make sure information is coming in rather than just speculation and name calling. Libel laws certainly must come into play here if the site takes on this issue. Having said that, I applaud any efforts by Letsrun.com and the Brojos to take on any potential cheating happening on the scale that has been accused.
Dr. S bag may have been disqualified from a few races, but to prove that he actually did anything wrong knowingly and willfully is another story.
swedishbasteve wrote:
The Stache wrote:To be sure, the Brojos do have to be damn careful here. This is a real person who lives in the US, and unlike all us, they are clearly identifiable people associated with this website. If The Brojos are willing to undertake this, they will have to monitor the thread VERY carefully to make sure information is coming in rather than just speculation and name calling. Libel laws certainly must come into play here if the site takes on this issue. Having said that, I applaud any efforts by Letsrun.com and the Brojos to take on any potential cheating happening on the scale that has been accused.
Dr. S bag may have been disqualified from a few races, but to prove that he actually did anything wrong knowingly and willfully is another story.
He just took a wrong turn, changed his clothes, and accepted his awards.
I'm not worried about the legality of this, just the honor and lack of courage. Next time read my posts slower so you understand them. If I make serious accusations about people with identities, then you can call me out and ask for my identity. My goal on this site is to talk shop and crack jokes with other track geeks. When cowards cross the line and use their anonymity as a weapon, then I have to take issue. I get irritated when I hear people make accusations about Kip or Vin or Sal or anyone else that have to suck it up while they get attacked without recourse. I would much rather read a fake post about an idiot who farted while proposing to their girlfriend. That is actually funny. This isn't. Get it?
Is this the moderator that was deleting the threads?
NO its kip .LETS SEE IF THIS GOES>
Chill out, Kippy.
Who Cares? wrote:
I'm not worried about the legality of this, just the honor and lack of courage. Next time read my posts slower so you understand them. If I make serious accusations about people with identities, then you can call me out and ask for my identity. My goal on this site is to talk shop and crack jokes with other track geeks. When cowards cross the line and use their anonymity as a weapon, then I have to take issue. I get irritated when I hear people make accusations about Kip or Vin or Sal or anyone else that have to suck it up while they get attacked without recourse. I would much rather read a fake post about an idiot who farted while proposing to their girlfriend. That is actually funny. This isn't. Get it?
Crap, you got me. OK, just to set the record straight; I got directions from a very nice man at the 7-11, but he was from out of town. When I started dodging cars I knew there was a problem. I was pretty tired, because of all the running, so I went into the YMCA and took a shower and had a nap. I woke up and decided to get back out there and just go for it. Thanks for all the support, it has been a dream come true for me. You guys are the best.
-Sincerely,
Kip
Who Cares? wrote:
I'm not worried about the legality of this, just the honor and lack of courage. Next time read my posts slower so you understand them. If I make serious accusations about people with identities, then you can call me out and ask for my identity. My goal on this site is to talk shop and crack jokes with other track geeks. When cowards cross the line and use their anonymity as a weapon, then I have to take issue. I get irritated when I hear people make accusations about Kip or Vin or Sal or anyone else that have to suck it up while they get attacked without recourse. I would much rather read a fake post about an idiot who farted while proposing to their girlfriend. That is actually funny. This isn't. Get it?
I'm not worried either, and there is always recourse. Furthermore, for someone who doesn't care, why read this thread? It seems only your goal matters. If your goal is to smell your own a$$, do it on another topic. No wonder you get irritated! Btw, I am swedishbasteve you can find me.
truth is defense for any libel accusation
Look, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. My point was that every third post on this site was a one-liner about Kip that inevitably got deleted. But I do hate the fact that people can make whatever accusation they like on these posts without any recourse. When you lose accountability, civility will quickly follow. If he is guilty, he should pay the price. I would prefer some evidence for those of us that don't know the details of this issue.
Who Cares? wrote:
I would prefer some evidence for those of us that don't know the details of this issue.
a single thread would help greatly in that. or you can visit the blog
The Stache wrote:
To be sure, the Brojos do have to be damn careful here. This is a real person who lives in the US, and unlike all us, they are clearly identifiable people associated with this website. If The Brojos are willing to undertake this, they will have to monitor the thread VERY carefully to make sure information is coming in rather than just speculation and name calling. Libel laws certainly must come into play here if the site takes on this issue.
Actually, they are at essentially no risk.
Nearly every news website, for example, has a "comments" section with a disclaimer that views expressed are not those of the site, not verified, etc, etc. And FOX doesn't get sued every time some armchair pundit says that Obama wasn't born in the US, supports terrorism, as so on.
Hell, they already link to far more defamatory material!
Who Cares? wrote:
Look, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. My point was that every third post on this site was a one-liner about Kip that inevitably got deleted. But I do hate the fact that people can make whatever accusation they like on these posts without any recourse. When you lose accountability, civility will quickly follow. If he is guilty, he should pay the price. I would prefer some evidence for those of us that don't know the details of this issue.
You must be new around here or a little slow. The first KL thread from several months back spelled out the overwhelming evidence so well that even the other Kip supporters had to concede their arguments.
In the latest thread, you have to admit it was amusing to see pictures of Kip walking with his bib covered during a 17 minute 5K effort. I'd like to hear how you processed that.
If the JoBro's are going to initiate a Kip Litton thread, I hope they reinstate the original, which included many accounts from multiple races.
Oh, by the way, these accusations of cowardly anonymous attacks sound quite serious. I've looked in some Internet phone directories and am unable to find a Mr. Who Cares anywhere. Is this really your name?
I think I speak for many who found the last thread entertaining when I say that it was like a mystery on how he supposedly did it. From cutting the course to the changing of clothes etc.
It was (is) like doing detective work within our sport.
Pure entertainment.
22nd KeyBank Vermont City Marathon & Marathon Relay
May 30, 2010 Marathon (USATF Certified VT02001WN) Burlington, VT
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1 1/185 M2529 51:44 1:07:39 1:44:04 2:17:51 5:16 2:17:51# John Crews 25 M 1 Raleigh NC
2 1/133 M1624 51:53 1:08:14 1:45:53 2:22:05 5:26 2:22:05 Gavin Coombs 24 M 19 Clayton NC
3 1/202 M3034 53:57 1:10:46 1:48:04 2:22:16 5:26 2:22:16 Justin Fyffe 30 M 10 E. Dummrston VT
4 2/133 M1624 1:10:45 1:48:18 2:23:46 5:29 2:23:46 Curtis Wheeler 24 M 4 Buxton ME
5 2/185 M2529 54:00 1:10:50 1:49:19 2:25:43 5:34 2:25:44 Mark Miller 29 M 8 Keene NH
6 3/185 M2529 53:25 1:10:09 1:48:39 2:26:42 5:36 2:26:43 Jon Fasulo 29 M 3 Ardmore PA
7 2/202 M3034 52:09 1:10:01 1:50:38 2:26:52 5:37 2:26:52 Juan Carlos Hernandez 30 M 5 Chia
8 4/185 M2529 55:22 1:12:41 1:51:47 2:27:35 5:38 2:27:36 Patrick MacAdie 26 M 9 Acton MA
9 5/185 M2529 54:15 1:11:40 1:52:02 2:31:14 5:47 2:31:14 Mike Fisher 26 M 12 Brookline MA
10 3/133 M1624 57:28 1:14:43 1:53:34 2:31:25 5:47 2:31:25 Jacob Edwards 23 M 16 North Stonington CT
11 3/202 M3034 51:53 1:08:44 1:50:38 2:32:33 5:50 2:32:33 Trent Briney 31 M 2 New York NY
12 6/185 M2529 54:29 1:12:08 1:53:41 2:33:07 5:51 2:33:07 Thomas Rhodes 26 M 14 Arlington VA
13 4/133 M1624 58:02 1:16:17 1:56:53 2:34:16 5:54 2:34:16 Thomas O'Grady 24 M 17 Latham NY
14 5/133 M1624 59:43 1:18:27 1:58:45 2:34:56 5:55 2:34:58 Hari Iyer 22 M 2304 Cambridge MA
15 7/185 M2529 58:04 1:57:50 2:35:48 5:57 2:35:50 Christopher Hamel 26 M 2664 Methuen MA
16 1/254 M4044 58:06 1:58:50 2:36:47 5:59 2:36:48* Jason Porter 40 M 27 Bedford NH
17 6/133 M1624 1:54:54 2:37:49 6:02 2:37:49 Josh Henry 23 M 11 Truxton NY
18 8/185 M2529 59:39 1:17:56 1:59:08 2:39:37 6:06 2:39:37 James Sweeney 28 M 21 Albany NY
19 1/235 F2529 58:07 2:40:03 6:07 2:40:04# Heidi Westover 29 F 31 Acworth NH
20 7/133 M1624 1:59:13 2:40:42 6:08 2:41:06 Shawn Duffy 24 M 819 Bryn Mawr PA
21 2/254 M4044 59:40 2:01:42 2:41:21 6:10 2:41:22 Robert Landry 41 M 26 Ludlow MA
22 4/202 M3034 1:18:28 2:41:49 6:11 2:41:50 Trent Kirk 34 M 20 Charlotte NC
23 8/133 M1624 57:24 1:16:19 2:00:04 2:42:07 6:11 2:42:07 Logan Franks 22 M 1553 Plattsburgh NY
24 9/133 M1624 57:51 1:16:56 2:01:20 2:43:34 6:15 2:43:34 Jason Dedonato 24 M 3164 Nashua NH
25 10/133 M1624 1:02:44 2:05:31 2:44:15 6:16 2:44:18 George Heeschen 23 M 2492 Newport News VA
26 1/244 M3539 59:54 2:02:12 2:46:07 6:21 2:46:07 Chadwick Shepard 35 M 974 Williston VT
27 3/254 M4044 1:02:37 1:22:15 2:05:35 2:47:35 6:24 2:47:39 Peter Sedgwick 40 M 230 North Yarmouth ME
28 11/133 M1624 56:54 1:14:43 1:59:57 2:48:33 6:26 2:48:33 Travis Stewart 23 M 2306 Voorhees NJ
29 1/217 F3539 1:03:47 2:08:26 2:49:11 6:28 2:49:12# Erin Ward 35 F 32 Saint Paul MN
30 2/244 M3539 1:02:40 1:22:20 2:06:34 2:49:11 6:28 2:49:13 Volker Burkowski 38 M 700 Gansevoort NY
31 12/133 M1624 1:01:29 1:21:13 2:06:55 2:49:25 6:28 2:49:25 Joseph Ver 22 M 3213 Hamburg NY
32 1/192 F4044 1:03:47 1:23:35 2:08:46 2:49:50 6:29 2:49:51# Nathalie Goyer 42 F 33 Saint-Bruno PQ
33 1/218 M4549 1:02:46 1:22:21 2:06:54 2:50:09 6:30 2:50:10 Thomas Dunn 45 M 3166 Burlington VT
34 9/185 M2529 59:25 1:19:20 2:05:21 2:50:16 6:30 2:50:17 Teage O'Connor 26 M 6 Burlington VT
35 2/218 M4549 1:02:46 1:22:24 2:07:47 2:50:24 6:30 2:50:27 Jon Schoenberg 47 M 3336 Harvard MA
36 3/218 M4549 1:04:37 1:24:55 2:10:00 2:52:15 6:35 2:52:16 Tom Thurston 46 M 2272 Waterbury VT
37 4/218 M4549 1:03:46 1:23:41 2:10:08 2:52:36 6:35 2:52:39 Joseph Clark 49 M 3207 Grantham NH
38 5/218 M4549 1:04:22 1:24:36 2:10:18 2:52:48 6:36 2:52:52 Tom Gudas 46 M 2256 Binghamton NY
39 6/218 M4549 1:03:53 1:24:26 2:10:40 2:52:56 6:36 2:52:58 Ralph Smith 49 M 877 Raleigh NC
40 10/185 M2529 1:02:43 1:22:52 2:09:11 2:53:09 6:37 2:53:19 Kevin Schutz 29 M 3396 Etna NH
41 7/218 M4549 1:03:21 1:23:22 2:10:39 2:49:02 6:27 2:53:36 Kip Litton 48 M 1609 Davison MI
42 13/133 M1624 1:04:25 1:24:42 2:10:43 2:53:53 6:38 2:53:54 David Harwood 24 M 385 Schenectady NY
43 14/133 M1624 59:04 1:17:31 1:59:41 2:54:21 6:39 2:54:22 Ryan Murdoch 22 M 201 Salem CT
44 3/244 M3539 1:05:40 1:26:49 2:13:49 2:55:27 6:42 2:55:30 Todd Archambault 35 M 3237 Essex Junction VT
45 5/202 M3034 1:02:16 1:22:35 2:09:47 2:55:41 6:43 2:55:43 Jason Friedman 34 M 1111 New Paltz NY
46 6/202 M3034 1:04:36 2:10:46 2:56:04 6:43 2:56:11 Adam Daniels 31 M 3226 Stamford CT
47 4/244 M3539 1:05:41 1:26:17 2:12:51 2:56:11 6:44 2:56:13 Jon Copans 35 M 3165 Montpelier VT
48 7/202 M3034 1:05:42 1:26:34 2:13:20 2:56:22 6:44 2:56:28 Sean Devan 31 M 2718 Seabrook NH
49 1/166 M5054 1:07:34 1:28:36 2:14:06 2:56:29 6:44 2:56:31 Daniel Predmore 51 M 1477 Ballston Lake NY
50 11/185 M2529 1:05:49 1:26:51 2:13:43 2:56:28 6:44 2:56:39 Robert Areson 28 M 1151 Burlington VT
How the hell did it take him that long to cross the start line? I'll admit, I really didn't care about this guy or this thread until I saw that he did a race that I ran in. Next year I'm gonna make sure that our entire contingent keeps an eye out for this guy. I'd like nothing more than for someone to completely call him out AS he is doing the deed.
Who Cares? wrote:
Look, I hate cheaters as much as the next guy. My point was that every third post on this site was a one-liner about Kip that inevitably got deleted. But I do hate the fact that people can make whatever accusation they like on these posts without any recourse. When you lose accountability, civility will quickly follow. If he is guilty, he should pay the price. I would prefer some evidence for those of us that don't know the details of this issue.
This guy is a troll, or Kip himself. Ignore him until he posts his real name.
Bump
Who Cares sounds distinctly like a long time LR poster who was also caught cheating. When someone called him out on it, he started lying his @ss off to cover himself (and his tiny balls).
I'm guessing that this thread makes Who Cares uncomfortable because it's too close to home. He's defending Kip, because in his twisted little ball-less loser mind, he (and Kip) are victims.
Who Cares, throw your own name up if you're demanding the same of others.