Busted for having minors over, alcohol present

You play, you pay.

You knew what you were doing, you knew it was wrong.

You got caught. Don't act like you were wronged by the security people.

You put yourself in that position, you get that from the authorities.

You sound like a snotty little turd that is used to doing what he wants, finding some reason to act like you are a victim, they crying to try and get your way, usually by mommy and daddy.

Be a man and deal with a situation you, and you alone put yourself in.

You might be able to get yourself out of trouble, but generic advice won't help you much. You have to know the ropes of your school's disciplinary program.

nzvcc wrote:

You play, you pay.

You knew what you were doing, you knew it was wrong.

You got caught. Don't act like you were wronged by the security people.

You put yourself in that position, you get that from the authorities.

You sound like a snotty little turd that is used to doing what he wants, finding some reason to act like you are a victim, they crying to try and get your way, usually by mommy and daddy.

Be a man and deal with a situation you, and you alone put yourself in.

Do you even know how to read? I didn't think so. I know we deserve what we get, as long as it is in line with our colleges alcohol policy, which we did admittedly violate. On the same token, how is it wrong to ask what to do when the authorities also violate that same policy?

Just in case you missed it, I have included in quotes:

"I admit we were violating the schools alcohol policy, and deserve what we get." A little reading comprehension would make any reasonable person assume that this means that I am fully willing to accept the responsibilities for my actions. At the same time, why is it wrong asking others follow the rules as well?

The two minors who got caught should be cut from the team for being too slow to get away from the fat security cops. Tell them this was the team's minimum standard time-trial and they failed.

They violated what according to whom? Who is going to take the word of some beer drunk frat boy over the security people?

Seriously dude, chill out. There are definitely people who come off like this, but not this guy. This might be one of the biggest overreactions I've ever seen on letsrun. He had a legitimate question that is just asking how to get out of some trouble. All of us have been there, well not all of us, you probably don't have friends to share a fun party atmosphere with. On behalf of the OP, go to hell.

nzvcc wrote:

You sound like a snotty little turd that is used to doing what he wants, finding some reason to act like you are a victim, they crying to try and get your way, usually by mommy and daddy.

I agree, everyone needs to relax, i would probably talk to your student union, about a grievance policy? The campus pd has a set of rules they should abide by too, and like yourself should be punished for breaking. Good luck though, and I feel for you, team bonding is a great time, unfortunate it had to get interrupted so unpleasantly.

Also check to see if going in a fridge without permission is against campus policy.

I know where I went to undergrad it was, as long as stuff was hidden you couldn't go looking around through their personal belongings. Anything that was exposed was free game. Something that stupid will get you off of charges often because the school doesn't want a law suit for violation of privacy.

nzvcc wrote:

You knew what you were doing, you knew it was wrong.

You got caught. Don't act like you were wronged by the security people.

Because it's impossible for someone who was breaking the rules to be wronged by the security people, right? Of course the fact that a person is breaking the rules gives the cops the right to take whatever action they want regardless of any laws or policies. If you got caught speeding and the cops decided that stealing your car should be a part of the punishment, I guess you'd just say, "well, I knew what I was doing and I knew it was wrong. When I put myself in that position I expect this kind of thing to happen."

Your arrogance is staggering. If I'm reading this correctly, you're insinuating that because the Campus Safety guard didn't follow proper procedures as it relates to the unopened containers of alcohol, the charges and potential disciplinary action taken against you should be rendered null and void? Are you kidding me?

The bottom line is that it was your party, you supplied the alcohol, under-age kids consumed it, two got caught, and so you must therefore face any consequences associated with such a result. The fact that you seem to think that you can or should get off easy because of a mis-step by the Safety official is the manifestation of not only just immaturity, but an entitlement mentality that, frankly, will do you no good in life.

Take responsibility for it and move on.

how the hell is it an "entitlement mentality?" If you got caught speeding, and the officer's gun wasn't calibrated properly, then you get off. People get off for technicalities every day in this country. I find it hard to believe that you, ears2yoo, would not try to get out of punishment if you could off of technicalities. If you say you wouldn't, I'm calling BS.

When it comes down to it, you are just incredibly anti-alcohol and intolerant of anyone who wishes to have a good time. Get off your high horse. The fact people are giving this kid shit is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like he was having a speedball party.

Ears2Yoo wrote:

you're insinuating that because the Campus Safety guard didn't follow proper procedures as it relates to the unopened containers of alcohol, the charges and potential disciplinary action taken against you should be rendered null and void? Are you kidding me?

Actually that's pretty standard for colleges. So I don't think he's kidding you.

chill out bro wrote:

how the hell is it an "entitlement mentality?" If you got caught speeding, and the officer's gun wasn't calibrated properly, then you get off. People get off for technicalities every day in this country. I find it hard to believe that you, ears2yoo, would not try to get out of punishment if you could off of technicalities. If you say you wouldn't, I'm calling BS.

When it comes down to it, you are just incredibly anti-alcohol and intolerant of anyone who wishes to have a good time. Get off your high horse. The fact people are giving this kid shit is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like he was having a speedball party.

agreed.

chill out bro wrote:

If you got caught speeding, and the officer's gun wasn't calibrated properly, then you get off.

But that isn't a proper analogy. The cops caught these guys legitimately. It sounds like the security violated the OP only in pouring out cheap beer.

OP, talk to a lawyer. I think you ought to be concerned with what the charge looks like on your record. If it stipulates that you served minors over the age of 18, it might not be worth the hassle. However, I doubt you'll want anything on your record involving a nondescript 'minors and alcohol'.

it's a proper analogy if he was still speeding and the gun just hadn't been calibrated as the law requires. but i agree, he should talk to some people who know what they are talking about. Stuff like that on records isn't a good thing if it goes beyond your school.

But that isn't a proper analogy. The cops caught these guys legitimately. It sounds like the security violated the OP only in pouring out cheap beer.

OP, talk to a lawyer. I think you ought to be concerned with what the charge looks like on your record. If it stipulates that you served minors over the age of 18, it might not be worth the hassle. However, I doubt you'll want anything on your record involving a nondescript 'minors and alcohol'.

That's exactly my point.

And for the record (for those who implied that I don't or wouldn't drink), I've done my fair-share of drinking, so this has nothing to do with the fact that I'm some self-righteous know-it-all who has anything against the activity itself (which I'm not -- in fact, I was having quite a good time myself last night here in SoCal). The fact of the matter though, is that the original poster is trying to leverage a technicality to get out of something for which he should take responsibility.

I think he should appeal it (that's his right and he should exercise it), but under different terms. Assuming this is true, he could: 1) Argue that he has been a relatively good student and that this is the first time he has gotten in trouble for this or something similar to this, 2) He is an active member in the campus community outside just academics (I'm assuming he's running on the team), 3) Accept full responsibility, but request leniency for his cooperation in the matter.

What those three arguments do is exemplify his character. If he can demonstrate that, generally speaking, he is a good student and member of the campus community, this may be chalked up as an incident where he made one poor error in judgement.

It appears that the basis for his appeal would be on the grounds that the Safety officer made a mistake about something that really has nothing to do with nothing. That says nothing about his character other than he is willing to hang his hat on something he knows shouldn't have any clout in the matter. It's a trivial and trite thing to do (and unfortunately, our judicial system in the US allows for things like this to happen time and again, which certainly doesn't make it right).

And as for the analogy with the speeding ticket...completely erroneous. The radar gun has a direct connection to the data and facts supporting the situation. Poured-out beer by an individual who mistakenly did it AFTER the fact has nothing to do with it and does nothing to change/alter/modify the events leading up to it.

This post brought to you by the "lack of personal responsibility" generation.

You show incredibly poor judgment by even posting this thread asking for "help"...

nzvcc wrote:

You play, you pay.

You knew what you were doing, you knew it was wrong.

You got caught. Don't act like you were wronged by the security people.

You put yourself in that position, you get that from the authorities.

You sound like a snotty little turd that is used to doing what he wants, finding some reason to act like you are a victim, they crying to try and get your way, usually by mommy and daddy.

Be a man and deal with a situation you, and you alone put yourself in.

I'm not saying it was right. But in college, plenty of good people would've been guilty of this... including me. I'm not defending it. But I won't lecture a college student, either. A friend of mine is an honorable family man and V.P. of a major company. He did the same. I'm not defending it, but I'd bet plenty on here have done the same.