13 year old boy shot dead by police

Was the cop drinking that night? Did he use recreational drugs?

I blame the parents, there was never a time I didn't know where my kids were at at 13.

Feel sorry for the kid, yes a tragedy but the cop did what we all would have done, he had no choice.

Whatley wrote:

I blame the parents, there was never a time I didn't know where my kids were at at 13.

Kid gets up and walks out of the house. Kid waits until you go to sleep and leaves the house.

What's your answer? If you've never been faced with this situation then shut your mouth.

u still cant see it wrote:

Whatley wrote:

I blame the parents, there was never a time I didn't know where my kids were at at 13.

Kid gets up and walks out of the house. Kid waits until you go to sleep and leaves the house.

What's your answer? If you've never been faced with this situation then shut your mouth.

Clearly a lack of discipline led to such behavior in the first place. Kids are not supposed to be friends with their parents until late adulthood. Set the rules early and set them good. Then this doesn’t happen 99% of the time.

There are always exceptions, but generally, incidents like this are the parent’s fault. If anything, the city should sue the family.

yawn wrote:

If anything, the city should sue the family.

that's an interesting take

yawn wrote:

u still cant see it wrote:

Kid gets up and walks out of the house. Kid waits until you go to sleep and leaves the house.

What's your answer? If you've never been faced with this situation then shut your mouth.

Clearly a lack of discipline led to such behavior in the first place. Kids are not supposed to be friends with their parents until late adulthood. Set the rules early and set them good. Then this doesn’t happen 99% of the time.

There are always exceptions, but generally, incidents like this are the parent’s fault. If anything, the city should sue the family.

What a load of horse manure. Take your amateur psycho babble elsewhere or rejoin the real world in which not every plan works the way you believe is will or should.

Any news station starting off the story with a picture of the boy turned around without the gun should face criminal charges. How long can we let these people deliberately tear at the fabric of society?

Also , sorry the kid died, but how long until he kills someone , some innocent little kids are shot during some gang shootout the kid is involved with?

I thought the same thing as the guy who said to sue the parents , start holding parents accountable before their kids shoot people up.

u still cant see it wrote:

yawn wrote:

Clearly a lack of discipline led to such behavior in the first place. Kids are not supposed to be friends with their parents until late adulthood. Set the rules early and set them good. Then this doesn’t happen 99% of the time.

There are always exceptions, but generally, incidents like this are the parent’s fault. If anything, the city should sue the family.

What a load of horse manure. Take your amateur psycho babble elsewhere or rejoin the real world in which not every plan works the way you believe is will or should.

What’s your solution (besides defunding the police)? Where am I wrong? Is it not up to the parents to raise their children to follow rules and behave? If that’s horse manure then call me a farmer.

Parents can either shape their kids to be good, or take the hands off inner city approach and cry when their kid gets shot. Keep your kid in line and he won’t be out at 2am with a gun.

I would also love to know where the rounds went that the kid and his friend were firing off. They had to go somewhere. Thank the Lord they didn’t end up hitting someone who was actually innocent.

Completely agree. I'm an officer in a major urban area with a high murder rate, lots of illegal guns, lots of gun violence, etc. I've had numerous gun/shots fired calls, had murder, rape, stabbing, mental health crisis, overdose, assault, domestic assault, sexual assault calls, etc, etc.

The majority of the commenters on this site don't even have a basic understanding of the laws and/or case laws that govern situations like this (Read: Tennessee vs Garner). It's also obvious that the majority of the commenters on this site also have no idea what the streets are really like outside of middle/upper-class neighborhoods and areas. The number of mentally ill subjects whom we deal with on a daily basis in poor/urban areas is overwhelming. Also, a person having a bad trip on PCP or K2 is a sight to behold and horrifying to face (imagine a zombie with super-human strength and who feels no pain. I'm not judging the people who live in a sheltered surrounding either, but sometimes people need a reality check or some real life experience in order to see what the world is really like outside of the small bubble they live in.

I'll suggest it again, everyone at some point should request to take a ride along with a patrol officer in the area in which they live. Preferably in an urban area on evening or midnight shift, and preferably on a Friday or Saturday night. You may get a slow night and not see anything, but you may also see some eye-opening stuff.

Further reading for all the monday morning quarterbacks here:

Graham vs Connor

"(c) The Fourth Amendment "reasonableness" inquiry is whether the officers' actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation. The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation. Pp. 490 U. S. 396-397."

I have no idea what it's like to be a police officer, so what is your opinion in the George Floyd case? Did the officers follow procedure? Excessive? You mention folks being on PCP and having super human strength which is why I ask. Thanks.

Two things. You should make police academy a bachelor like in my country. Here it is much easier to get into engineering etc than police academy. You should t have so many guns in your country either. When police have to carry guns at all times the situation is already out of hands...

apparently the 13 yr old had gang names 'lil homicide' and Bvby diablo'.

sad. why does us society tolerate gangs so much?

The country as a whole does a very poor job handling issues before they become problems. That doesn't mean it is all solvable but allocating resources....not defunding anyone (what a stupid way of terming it by those who came up with it)....to deal with issues such as mental illness, children in situations which have gone beyond the typical parenting issues and a host of other issues is not undertaken and only dealt with initially in a criminal situation. While this doesn't address this particular situation....how about a situation in which a kid threatens all sorts of violence with weapons, mom calls the authorities who can't do anything with him. Then he shoots up a Fedex office and we blame guns, mom and anyone else without attempting to really rectify the situation.

In the death of the 13 year old, there is probably nothing his family could have done. If you're fortunate enough to either not be in this situation yourself or know anyone (and this is to your knowledge as we really don't know what is really going on in someone's home) then consider yourself lucky.

This is what I deal with every day and have for 40 years.

The kid listened to the cop. He dropped the gun. He raised his hands. He turned around. He got murdered.

The message this sends is that the safest way to survive an encounter with the police at night is to run and escape.

Even if the kid was holding a gun, he couldn't have made an accurate shot with his hand going straight up. The officer could have safely waited at least another second before deciding whether to shoot.

It was a stressful, out of control situation and if I was the DA, I wouldn't file any charges.

Pendejon wrote:

Any news station starting off the story with a picture of the boy turned around without the gun should face criminal charges. How long can we let these people deliberately tear at the fabric of society?

Also , sorry the kid died, but how long until he kills someone , some innocent little kids are shot during some gang shootout the kid is involved with?

I thought the same thing as the guy who said to sue the parents , start holding parents accountable before their kids shoot people up.

So is better to shoot a 13 year-old now for what he might do later?

So what are you saying? That the nature of the community you police and the stresses of your job excuses when cops use violence on members of the public, such as with the shooting of the 13 year old?

So , I listened to the news today and there is a push for more serious charges against the cop that messed up.

This is interesting. I am trying to think of other people for whom making a screw up at work would get them murder charges. The oil tanker captain comes to mind.

Anyway, for relatively non lucrative , non prestigious position like police officer where the screw up can be so devastating as to bring on murder charges, this is going to get interesting. Glad it will be aired out.

Would you go to work in a middle class profession at best where this could happen to you somehow? No Way Jose.