Katelyn Tuohy finishes 9th @ ACC's

temperedresponse wrote:

I think we should hold on hot takes (for those commenting about not getting a PB for this year or what she ran in 2019). She just got back to racing and adjusting to college and coming back from injury are major hurdles. I think getting into some smaller meets and getting confident about racing are really the next keys. Racing at this level in part is somewhat as much mental as it is physical. Without confidence the ability to train well and race well go down quickly.

confidence, and some experience running in races. She probably was in more competitive races in the last 2 weeks than she was in all of high school.

The 2019 NXN was certainly competitive. And people forget that while she was already very fast as a 7th grader through her freshman year of high school she was not being touted as a great high school runner until her sophomore year and she lost numerous races. Some of the DMRs were especially wild, such as the New Balance Outdoor national DMR finals in 2015 when she was a 7th grader, it was 97 degrees and she got into this insane duel with two upper classmen on the anchor leg that were over a foot taller than her and she kicked and traded the lead like a dozen times.

But yes, coming back from injury and a major training disruption is a challenge. It will take time. I think she only started training again in December or January. Her coaches are being super cautious, so the fact that she is cleared to run again (compare that to Starliper)is the key takeaway. This is a free season eligibility wise, so get her out there again competing and clear the way for the remainder of her NCAA career. Now she just has to gain her peak fitness back.

If she only started training again in December or January, then her recent results are extremely impressive indeed.

Actually what I am talking about is running in the middle of a pack. Even that NXN she lead start to finish. As far as training goes she was running in late October, although not at "full volume". I question whether she has really got to "full volume" yet, but I of course do not know.

My guess is that she'll spend her next four years chasing her high school PR of 9:01.

nyrunner2 wrote:

My guess is that she'll spend her next four years chasing her high school PR of 9:01.

Agreed.

I think the high school 800 trio of Whittaker, Willis and Gorriaran are much bigger talents than Tuohy ever was.

Olympic Trials 800 standard is 2:02.5. Gorriaran and Whittaker already hit it. Willis is very close with her 2:03.05.

5k standard is 15:20, Tuohy is not close and she's heading in the wrong direction.

I’m late but they should have just redshirted this year if shes not in shape to contribute to the team.

The year does not count so there is no redshirt.

I'm sure they have great 5k times. :)

astro wrote:

I'm sure they have great 5k times. :)

The point is they are closer to making an Olympic team that Tuohy. Tuohy is a faster 5k runner than Athing Mu, but who is the better runner?

high school coach 756325 wrote:

nyrunner2 wrote:

My guess is that she'll spend her next four years chasing her high school PR of 9:01.

Agreed.

I think the high school 800 trio of Whittaker, Willis and Gorriaran are much bigger talents than Tuohy ever was.

Olympic Trials 800 standard is 2:02.5. Gorriaran and Whittaker already hit it. Willis is very close with her 2:03.05.

5k standard is 15:20, Tuohy is not close and she's heading in the wrong direction.

It's a crapshoot with any girl from 15 to 20 so who knows? But I definitely disagree that they were better talents in high school

Katelyn Tuohy was like 50 seconds faster in cross-country than anyone else, when she was at her best so that's a huge difference and a big-time Talent

Those other girls weren't even the best at their event so.

If by Talent you mean long-term upside then it's a crapshoot with any individual Runner.

Considering the difference between sprinting and distance running, apples and oranges. And to run the sprints in the Olympics is a dirty business.

nyrunner2 wrote:

My guess is that she'll spend her next four years chasing her high school PR of 9:01.

Vast majority of girls probably PR in high school, a 9 Minute 3K it's probably better than 99% of college distance runners. Maybe 99.9, something like that!

MidFootStriker wrote:

It's a crapshoot with any girl from 15 to 20 so who knows? But I definitely disagree that they were better talents in high school

Katelyn Tuohy was like 50 seconds faster in cross-country than anyone else, when she was at her best so that's a huge difference and a big-time Talent

Those other girls weren't even the best at their event so.

If by Talent you mean long-term upside then it's a crapshoot with any individual Runner.

Gorriaran as a high school sophomore qualified for the USA Olympic Trials. Tuohy was never close to any USA Olympic Trial Standard and is STILL not close.

Gorriaran beat Nikki Hiltz in a pro 800. Hiltz made the 2019 world team in the 1500 and has a 4:01 PR. She made the final at the world championships in the 1500.

You'd have to have BRAIN DAMAGE to think Tuohy was a bigger high school talent than Gorriaran.

You really don't get that sprinting and distance running are different. Ok.

It all depends on what criteria you're looking at

How many national athlete of the Year awards did those Runners have?

Katelyn Tuohy was way faster than her peers for two straight years

So considering she was something like 5% faster than the next closest cross-country Runner

You'd have to have an 800 meter Runner who was showing similar dominance

A thing mu is definitely similar dominance more so considering she was chasing American records

But as someone else said distance running isn't really comparable to sprinting especially on the woman's side

If you're using talent to mean long-term upside then I agree other Runners have certainly more of a chance to do things in the Olympics

But you mentioned three runners and my point was those three weren't even the best at their event for any considerable amount of time

At least all three of them as a whole, as a thing was is the best at that distance

Anyway if you mean bye Talent, dominating your sport as a high school athlete Katelyn Tuohy was better than those three runners

You have to have brain damage to think otherwise

Again, How many national athlete of the e Awards do those Runners have

Just comparing when is the last time a high schooler ran the Olympic standard in 3K and 5K? Ever? Mary Decker? Cain ran the Olympic trials in high school in the 800 in 2012 and qualified for the World Championships in the 1500 in 2013, but that is all that comes to mind of the top of my head. The longer distances are a different ball of wax. Unless you do tons of EPO.

exactly! There's been tons of sprinters to hit the Olympic standard, Olympic trials standard. but no High School girl has come close in the 5K or 10K

So it's really not the best way to compare Talent among High School runners. anyway Talent is a vague term. Katelyn Tuohy set 4 National records and dominated two sports. The 800 runners have tons of potential and they're at different points in their High School career so who knows?

MidFootStriker wrote:

exactly! There's been tons of sprinters to hit the Olympic standard, Olympic trials standard. but no High School girl has come close in the 5K or 10K

So it's really not the best way to compare Talent among High School runners. anyway Talent is a vague term. Katelyn Tuohy set 4 National records and dominated two sports. The 800 runners have tons of potential and they're at different points in their High School career so who knows?

US is weak at distance and usually world leading at sprints, mid d, and field events.

Mens and women, same result

LRC has a way of drooling over waif thin phenom girls when they start achieving National caliber results when their only 15y.o. (or 13 if you're Grace Ping) and before they've actually developed into their adult bodies

LRC also seems delusional to the fact that compared to the rest of the World, the U.S. sucks at distance in comparison to it's status among the sprints, mid d and field events.

9:20 for 3k at age 19 for someone propped up as the "best ever" US prospect since Mary Decker illustrates these points clearly.