Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill to Ban Biological Men From Women’s Sports

RunRagged wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

It's also not an issue because there aren't any transgender female distance runners.

I dunno what your definition of of "distance runners" is, but June (formerly Jonathan) Eastwood of the U of Montana trounced all the female competitors in the mile at an NCAA regional event in February of this year:

https://youtu.be/acEwFJBerIU

She graduated so it's gone from one TGF runner back to zero and it might be years before we see another at the NCAA level.

In her case, the hormone treatment resulted in her being at about the same competitive level as a woman.

My point is that people on LR are getting worked up over an issue that will never come anywhere close to having a significant impact on women's sports. TGFs are only .3% of the population.

Tulsi doesn’t really care about fairness - it’s all about getting those sweet altright white knight votes - all those grown men that suddenly started showing an interest in high school women’s sports; from their computer though, not the stands.

Isn’t tulsi also just some nobody again? Didn’t she lose her Congress seat?

She is a Democrat.

go go go wrote:

She is a Democrat.

Only because Hawaii turned blue. She was writing anti-gay propaganda for her republican dads campaigns before she changed to a democrat.

Just an opportunist

RunRagged wrote:

You say Eastwood's "hormone treatment" put Eastwood "at about the same competitive level as a woman." So how come Eastwood so easily trounced virtually all the actual women that Eastwood competed against in Eastwood's female persona?

You say males using gender identity claims to participate in female sports is "an issue that will never come anywhere close to having a significant impact on women's sports. TGFs are only .3% of the population."

So how come so many of these male "transgender" athletes are cleaning up and breaking records in a wide number of girls' and women's sports?

Why do two male teens who ID as trans - Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood - now hold 15 records and many more medals and awards in CT girls' HS track?

As a guy Eastwood trounce most the guys he competed against. The level of performance was roughly the same with the lower depth of woman's fields leading to slightly higher placings.

What type of treatment were the CT teens on? I have never seen that published (and yes to some extent it is private) but without knowing that they had been doing drug treatment for a year, it has nothing to do with the NCAA rules. And given they ran indoor as a boy and outdoor as a girl, I sort of doubt that there was a year of hormones before competing....

SDSU Aztec wrote:

My point is that people on LR are getting worked up over an issue that will never come anywhere close to having a significant impact on women's sports. TGFs are only .3% of the population.

Intrasex athletes are only a small fraction of the population but they have had a significant impact on the woman's 800m. If there is a big enough advantage so that a 5% talent (i.e. a boy who can run say 2:00 in HS) as a buy can beat a .5% talent (say a 1:50 runner) after transistioning, you might end up with gross over representation. Again I doubt the transadvantage is that large if they are following the NCAA rules.

In the end you really only need 1 person to show up to bring the issue to the front. If the transwoman is finishing in the middle of the pack nobody will care. Start scoring or winning, and questions of fairness will be raised. It would be nice for all involved to figure out the rules ahead of time.

Come on. Eastwood finished 60th in the XC regionals and ran 4:40ish compared to having run the equivalent of 4:08 as a guy.

The Connecticut sprinters were not taking testosterone suppression treatment and will not be receiving scholarships. If they want to continue competing they will need to sit out a year to meet the NCAA requirements which I doubt will happen. California also allows MTF athletes to compete with the only requirement of a sign off from a mental health professional, but I'm not aware of even a single MTF athlete out of a population of 40M. I believe the reason is that making the transition during HS would be a horrific experience.

Call me selfish but I don't give a crap about middle-aged rugby players, D-2 hurdlers, weightlifters or master cyclists. Isn't Roller Derby fake? All of your examples are at low levels of competition and do not indicate the predicted end of women's sports. Yeah, the rugby MTF should not be allowed to compete and whoever officiates her league should give her the boot.

I don't know if your psychotic MMA has actually fought a woman and achieved her goals, but such a person will never compete in the U.F.C. The U.F.C. is not an equal opportunity employer and will not sign someone that will severely damage their market. Many people would be repulsed by her being allowed to compete and/or appalled by watching biological women being brutally knocked out. The other fighters would have the absolute right to refuse to fight her.

You're giving a handful examples out of the entire world at a low level of sports to support all the rules people here believe necessary to save women's sport. Having a trans division would be similar to one for unicorns at horse racing tracks.

Great. The WNBA WILL NEVER EVER enforce this tho. I'd love to see it tho lol.

Joe Biden wins the election and Trump loyalist Tulsi Gabbard goes home DEVASTATED.

govlie1 wrote:

Isn’t tulsi also just some nobody again? Didn’t she lose her Congress seat?

She didn't lose. She chose not to run for reelection.

If you're referring to Semenya, that is a different issue from transgender. She was considered to be a woman, but is now required to take testestorone suppression to compete in her best events,400-1500, which has effectively ended her professional career.

Regarding the rules, they have already been figured out. The right for transgender females to compete against biological women has already been won in court and that's not going to change. The argument that they can will be recognized as being female, but with the caveat that they can't compete in women's sports, cannot be won in court.

I believe that June Eastwood will be the high water mark for MTF runners in the NCAA. A championship level runner is not going to transgender. Why trade being a top male runner to become a villian? Montana kept Eastwood on a scholarship, but in the future, it's likely that someone transgendering would lose theirs. If I was the parent, I would tell my son to wait until after graduation and that if he gave up his scholarship I would not step in and pay the tuition.

Precious Roy wrote:

effectively has the consequence of banning trans people from collegiate athletics.

Sounds like a great idea!

Trans women should be allowed to compete with biological women, but biological women should be given proper recognition for their achievements.

Never. Women should not be forced to play second fiddle to men in their own races. All the “recognition” would change nothing. They lost the race, the scholarship, the prize $, whatever is at stake. Such an arrangement would be a cruel farce. Everyone pretending that what is actually happening - men of limited ability beating women - is not actually happening.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I believe that June Eastwood will be the high water mark for MTF runners in the NCAA. A championship level runner is not going to transgender. Why trade being a top male runner to become a villian?

Ummm... ever heard of Caitlyn Jenner? What do you think she would have done, had she been born 40-50 years later?

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I believe that June Eastwood will be the high water mark for MTF runners in the NCAA. A championship level runner is not going to transgender. Why trade being a top male runner to become a villian?

Ummm... ever heard of Caitlyn Jenner? What do you think she would have done, had she been born 40-50 years later?

Bruce Jenner would have chosen to transgender to the Heptathlon? Really? He was capable of waiting until he was 65 to transgender so certainly he could have waited until his athletic career was over. He also seemed to be interested in getting married and having children.

No guy capable of winning a gold medal is ever going to transgender during their athletic career. It would cost them a fortune in endorsements and future contracts and they be hated by about half of the population.

Well, Jenner could have won the decathlon, got married and have children, transitioned to be a female, and won the heptathlon all before the age of 35.

Being the only person ever to win both the decathlon and the heptathlon golds would be very tempting for such an attention seeker.