agip wrote:
26 EPO positive athletes are serving sanctions right now. It is a fairly small number, but material.
http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/anti-dopingTo argue against my point - is there something about EPO that makes it harder to detect in men?
Maybe I'm missing your point, but Male to Female EPO sanctions are running 2 to 1 in your link.
I remember when we had a ban brush spikes, thick-soled HJ shoes and reindeer milk movement going on.
http://chasingzatopek.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/lasse-viren-and-the-reindeer-milk-diet/
MTRaceTimer wrote:
If true, she would have costed Buzunesh Deba $100,000 ($150,000 for first against the $75,000 for second place, and then $25,000 CR bonus). Ridiculous. Drug cheats should also be charged with theft. Make an example of Jeptoo and ban for life. It's something that USATF can't understand.
At this point, it's difficult to believe that Buzunesh Deba is actually clean. How many OOC blood tests had she last year?
Was Dennis Kimetto tested out of competition? (blood testing)
As a fan of cycling I'm never surprised by PED use news by world-class athletes.
As far as this shouldn't be news until the B sample is tested and confirms the A sample, I'm thinking the B sample test has to be requested by the athlete, and possibly even done at the expense of the athlete.
I think that one of the reasons Jeptoo (or Jeptoo's trainer/doctor/pharmacist) was so sloppy in microdosing (or whatever she could've done to avoid the positive result) is that THERE ARE SO MANY athletes that these trainers/doctors/pharmacists see and there wasn't a very good doctor to runner ratio to make sure the correct procedures were followed before the test.
Ben L Wrong wrote:
At this point, it's difficult to believe that Buzunesh Deba is actually clean. How many OOC blood tests had she last year?
Very arduous for testers to navigate their way to the Bronx, is it?
Who cares what you "believe?"Believing someone dopes and having evidence they dope are completely different.
Ben L Wrong wrote:
MTRaceTimer wrote:If true, she would have costed Buzunesh Deba $100,000 ($150,000 for first against the $75,000 for second place, and then $25,000 CR bonus). Ridiculous. Drug cheats should also be charged with theft. Make an example of Jeptoo and ban for life. It's something that USATF can't understand.
At this point, it's difficult to believe that Buzunesh Deba is actually clean. How many OOC blood tests had she last year?
Was Dennis Kimetto tested out of competition? (blood testing)
Men's Mar. WR =26:11 on performance tables?
Nobody has gotten close to 26:17 WR from 2005.
No No No. The marathon is supposedly still catching up to 26:17. People are gonna be running 2 hour marathons with regularity AND 26:17 by the time the modern marathon is on par with the other records!
I read it right here on Letsrun!
By "experts"!
JAXDUKE wrote:
Men's Mar. WR =26:11 on performance tables?
Nobody has gotten close to 26:17 WR from 2005.
everyone with that kind of 10,000 potential except Rupp, Farah and a handful of others have moved up to the marathon. Even Rupp and Farah have dabbled with longer distances. You'd need 6 figure prize purses for winning diamond league races to see the 10,000 wr fall again.
HotDiggedyDog wrote:
I believe Rita Jeptoo is coached by Claudio Berardelli, who also coaches fellow Kenyan drug cheat Matthew Kisorio as well as Jemima Sumgong, who tested positive but got off on a technicality.
Who else is in Berardelli's stable?
At least 300, as he claims 99% are clean.
Left Said Fred wrote:
Ben L Wrong wrote:At this point, it's difficult to believe that Buzunesh Deba is actually clean. How many OOC blood tests had she last year?
Very arduous for testers to navigate their way to the Bronx, is it?
Out of competition testing for Deba would be under the authority of the Ethiopian Anti-Doping Agency. They would either have to send someone to her training base or request another agent (e.g. USADA) perform the test. That's not to imply that she is or is not doping, but it's certainly legitimate to question how well various athletes are being monitored out of competition.
So this was from a now deleted thread about somebody's theory being wrong:
(certain somebody)'s point has always been that EPO is not effective in the marathon because the marathon is about fuel consumption, not an explosive 400m kick. You can have all the red blood cells in the world, but you will still crash and burn at mile 20 in the marathon if you are not able to effectively consume a combination of fat and muscle glycogen.
But, while I think __ may be right about that, EPO can be a big help during training. It can make a big difference in recovering from hard workouts and can help runners to hard workouts a lot harder.
to which I say: That doesn't make sense. If it helps with more efficient fuel consumption then the runner will have more kick at the end of the race. How can it not help?[/quote]
I have to admit I am quite surprised by this. I thought there may have been a few rogue Kenyans who were dopers, but if this EPO result is confirmed I fear doping among the East Africans may be much more widespread than I could have ever imagined.
What if our sport is no cleaner than cycling? Sigh.
J.R. wrote:
This thread simply demonstrates how stupid the average person is
You're being presumptuous if you believe that you rise to the level of "average." You're not globally incoherent, but you possess a huge and inexplicable gap in your ability to express rational thoughts when it comes to doping.
I'd also like to see what kind of sophistry Renato weaves in response to this news, assuming he says anything at all. I'm guessing he'll try to have it both ways -- yes, Kenyans surely do dope, none of HIS but the rally shady ones, uh-uh, and that's a damn shame because they're just sacrificing their careers over a drug that DOESN'T EVEN WORK ON THEM!
Citizen Runner wrote:
Left Said Fred wrote:Very arduous for testers to navigate their way to the Bronx, is it?
Out of competition testing for Deba would be under the authority of the Ethiopian Anti-Doping Agency. They would either have to send someone to her training base or request another agent (e.g. USADA) perform the test. That's not to imply that she is or is not doping, but it's certainly legitimate to question how well various athletes are being monitored out of competition.
I doubt she did any.
Today has focused on Kenya, but Ethiopia is a lot worse
Clerk wrote:
Rojo, I don't think there is anything wrong with reporting an "adverse finding for an unknown substance."
I think what rojo means to say that had Letsrun.com been the first to have access to this story instead of some mostly anonymous blogger named Larry Eder, Letsrun.com would absolutely have sat on it and not uttered a peep on this site until the B-sample comes back. And if you believe that, please check yourself into a secure psychiatric facility.
agip wrote:
I'm holding on to male LD running by my fingernails.
The fact that you put it this way demonstrates that your subconscious is grudgingly willing to acknowledge what your conscious mind fruitlessly tries to keep at bay.
And do you really need a list of top distance runners who have flunked drug tests? What about that Chinese guy, Rafeed Rambi or whatever his name was, who lost the 1,500 gold in 2008? Or that steepler dude from Lesotho, Barim Blalamu or whatever, who ran a 7:53 steeple? Or Assmay Legzowie? Or Delilah Asayago? Or Julio Ray? Or Marrey Slainy? Or...or...or...
Eater of Crow wrote:
I have to admit I am quite surprised by this. I thought there may have been a few rogue Kenyans who were dopers, but if this EPO result is confirmed I fear doping among the East Africans may be much more widespread than I could have ever imagined.
What if our sport is no cleaner than cycling? Sigh.
Sadly agree. However, the glass-half-full guys will say at least the tests are working as this is as big a catch as you can get. For those like me who thought elites were clean, the disappointment is soul-crushing. Rita's selfishness is especially astonishing because she knows there are many waiting to pounce on the first high profile Kenyan positive result as reflective of the entire system. Kenyans don't have the luxury of being seeing as individuals like a Tyson Gay. As far as I'm concerned, a life ban for her and her coach should be the minimum.
"A little bit of Rita,
Showed up negative, when she peed".
Like Americans don't dope too. I guess Solinsky was born with that buff build that no previous generation of 10k runners have ever had? Get real and get a life....
