Wasn’t responding to you directly. Just happened to be the last post at the time. You can relax.
Ok no problem I am relaxed.
So since nobody has answered my question, are these dream times just complete guesses? Were you guys joking and I, a sprinter, just didn’t get it?
I think we can safely assume that with even splits it would be faster than 2:01:09 and slower than 1:59:42, so the guesses have it about right I think. Sacrificing 20-30sec in first half would probably gain an equal amount in second.
You can say for sure, that after slowing down from 21km, he still had lots of speed in the tank last few km.
I figure if he ran even splits he could have maybe maxed out at 2:00:30
Yes, the last 3, 5km splits are good indications of the pain after going out so fast. But what about this factoid: EK’s second-fastest and slowest kilometers were back-to-back, kms 39 and 40: 2:37 and 3:12 (fastest km was the 2nd, 2:31). He had been slowing each km from 32. Indicates to me that he, after that 3:12 km he realized he was not going to go under 2:00:00, and he picked it up and pushed through the last two kilometers (2:53 and 2:52) for the WR. Magnificent performance.
Second km could not have been that fast because 3km time was 8:35, meaning 6:04 for the other two
So since nobody has answered my question, are these dream times just complete guesses? Were you guys joking and I, a sprinter, just didn’t get it?
I think we can safely assume that with even splits it would be faster than 2:01:09 and slower than 1:59:42, so the guesses have it about right I think. Sacrificing 20-30sec in first half would probably gain an equal amount in second.
You can say for sure, that after slowing down from 21km, he still had lots of speed in the tank last few km.
With respect, why do you believe that? What is the basis of the assumption? And never mind assumptions, are there any worthwhile stats behind this?
I guess that is sort of answering my question and yes I will admit it's not a completely unreasonable take. However, based on what you wrote I can only conclude that you believe all of the athletes I mentioned are/ were dopers. Is that your take? Because all of them have beaten or nearly beaten the absolute best in the world [ especially if we convert some of the past guys' times to what they would achieve with today's shoes and tracks].
So once again: Jakob, Warholm, Fisher, Ryun, Ovett, Coe, Cram, Centro, Jonathon Edwards, Mike Powell? Every last one of them a PED user??? It would seem to be that it would have to be a "yes" from you based on your above statements. But i'd like you to confirm that. Thx
I don't claim to say every athlete is a doper. That might include you and I know nothing about you. However doping has ballooned in the sport since the '80's - it was present in mainly the E Bloc before then and since the 90's it has become a sophisticated science, frequently undertaken with professional guidance (except, notably, by a number of doping amateurs in countries like Kenya - hence the greater number of busts). The official estimates of prevalence indicate that it is impossible to curb let alone stamp out. As one Russian athlete remarked in an Al Jazeera doco - "it is everywhere". On that basis it is reasonable to infer that it is impossible now to reach the top without doping, because too many competitors will be doped. If you recall the women's 1500 final at London in 2012, virtually the whole field incurred a doping violation at some point. Clearly some were careless, but it was a revealing snapshot of where the sport is. And that was 10 years ago. Doping continues to get more effective at evading detection - while athletes are no less ambitious than they were.
That's all well and good, but i'd still like you move away from generalities towards specifics. So which top of the heap athletes are exceptions? It still sounds like you are saying all top elites are dopers because even superbly talented, dedicated, clean athletes cannot beat or hang with highly trained talented dopers, of which there are a plethora.
So.... any exceptions? Every athlete on my list a doper? C'mon man, stop the dodging and spell it out!
I don't claim to say every athlete is a doper. That might include you and I know nothing about you. However doping has ballooned in the sport since the '80's - it was present in mainly the E Bloc before then and since the 90's it has become a sophisticated science, frequently undertaken with professional guidance (except, notably, by a number of doping amateurs in countries like Kenya - hence the greater number of busts). The official estimates of prevalence indicate that it is impossible to curb let alone stamp out. As one Russian athlete remarked in an Al Jazeera doco - "it is everywhere". On that basis it is reasonable to infer that it is impossible now to reach the top without doping, because too many competitors will be doped. If you recall the women's 1500 final at London in 2012, virtually the whole field incurred a doping violation at some point. Clearly some were careless, but it was a revealing snapshot of where the sport is. And that was 10 years ago. Doping continues to get more effective at evading detection - while athletes are no less ambitious than they were.
That's all well and good, but i'd still like you move away from generalities towards specifics. So which top of the heap athletes are exceptions? It still sounds like you are saying all top elites are dopers because even superbly talented, dedicated, clean athletes cannot beat or hang with highly trained talented dopers, of which there are a plethora.
So.... any exceptions? Every athlete on my list a doper? C'mon man, stop the dodging and spell it out!
To be the very best - at championship level - requires doping. I wouldn't be inclined to make an exception now for a gold medalist or world record holder. Many medallists and finalists will also be doped. It has likely been so for at least the last three decades as doping continues to become more sophisticated. The clean athletes will be lower in the competitive hierachy. I can't recall the athletes you named but the more recent their achievements the more likely they will be doped. "Clean" sport was to all intents and purposes largely lost by the 90's and the creation of WADA has not been able to get it back. The official view is that doping is disapproved of; the unofficial view is that it can't be stopped.
Not so much a lion, Kipchoge is more like a one-trick pony. He’s the best our planet has ever seen at running fast marathons on flat courses. That’s it, his only trick. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a pretty amazing special trick. It’s just his only one.
My classification of Kipchoge as a one-trick pony was validated today in Boston. He was unable to handle the hilly Boston course.
This is also why i easily rate Kenny bekele as the greatest distance runner all time. Dominate cross country, then the tracks then being close to breaking the Marathon World Record. Only one word; GOAT
