According to World Athletics, Assefa is the world’s 325th fastest 800 woman in history at 1:59.24. The 325th fastest man in history has run 1:44.87. I'd love to know the fastest marathon run by a marathon with a pb under 1:45.00 for 800 but this is clearly by far the best for a woman with a sub-2:00 800 pb.
I know Haile and Kipchoge were 3:33 1500 guys but Geb's 800 pb is 1:49. Kipchoge doesn't have an 800 pb. Which sub-1:$5 guys have run a marathon?
According to World Athletics, Assefa is the world’s 325th fastest 800 woman in history at 1:59.24. The 325th fastest man in history has run 1:44.87. I'd love to know the fastest marathon run by a marathon with a pb under 1:45.00 for 800 but this is clearly by far the best for a woman with a sub-2:00 800 pb.
I know Haile and Kipchoge were 3:33 1500 guys but Geb's 800 pb is 1:49. Kipchoge doesn't have an 800 pb. Which sub-1:$5 guys have run a marathon?
Comparing world rankings is more complicated than looking at depth of world ranking. Depth of world rankings is flawed due to peak athletics performance correlates with peak fertility. Do I need to comment more? The best measurement is percentage away from world record. If we use percentage away from world records, women 1:59.24 800m is equal to 1:46.219 men 800m.
Steve Ovett’s run in the half marathon was especially impressive because he was due to run in a track meet but he had trouble getting there so he decided to go for an easy run instead and the Dartford half marathon was close by to London so he jumped in and ran 1:05:38 as a training run with no stress.
in my opinion both of these runners could have achieved around 2:15:00 -2:20:00 for the marathon without any trouble.
I thought you were supposed to be good with numbers rojo?
Are you seriously comparing a woman time of 1.59 to a man running 1.44?
No. A WR is an outlier performance, which is not a good point of comparison. Percentage isn't great either since it assumes differences are linear between different events, which they aren't necessarily. Example: take 115% performance for the men's marathon WR (2:01/2:19), and the men's 800 WR (1:41/1:56). 2:19 is a sub-elite performance, 1:56 is a decent time for a HS boy.
The best way to compare athletic performances is by using a percentile/rank comparison, which is essentially what the IAAF point system is. There is inherently some bias as participation differs between events (PV vs. 100m). For certain events where the women's event is more recent such as steeplechase, comparison is more suspect as well. However, in general you can use this model to get a pretty good idea of equivalence. Men just don't like it because it deflates their ego a bit. I'll redo my above comparison: a 2:19 marathon is 1006 points. A 1:56 800 is 862 points. The equivalent to 2:19 (1006 points) is 1:50.7. I'd argue that the IAAF system overvalues shorter events due to participation (shorter events get more padded at the back end), but this isn't wildly off as both performances are sub-elite.
Your point about peak fertility is both wrong and irrelevant. Peak fertility for women is during their late teens and early 20s. Most women setting their PBs in their mid-20s to 30s (older for longer events). Olympic level female athletes tend not to choose to have children until ~30 or later for this reason.
According to World Athletics, Assefa is the world’s 325th fastest 800 woman in history at 1:59.24. The 325th fastest man in history has run 1:44.87. I'd love to know the fastest marathon run by a marathon with a pb under 1:45.00 for 800 but this is clearly by far the best for a woman with a sub-2:00 800 pb.
I know Haile and Kipchoge were 3:33 1500 guys but Geb's 800 pb is 1:49. Kipchoge doesn't have an 800 pb. Which sub-1:$5 guys have run a marathon?
You guys seem to live under rocks! Assefa was actually a sprinter! 54sec 400m and she transitioned to 800m where she ran 1:59! Haile compared her to when he was doing 400m in 49 on track. His range was crazy too from 400m to marathon! After Rio, she left track for roads 6years in development it was about time you get to know who she is! It wasn’t an easy transition, her progression speaks volume, from 73min to 67min half, 34min 10km to 30:51 this year! Everybody is talking about her 2h34 marathon, try to run a marathon in Riyadh with no experience you will talk to me after.
I am not shocked at all right now as we all saw her development! I was more shocked in Germany Adidas Campus when she ran 67 in half to beat Rosemary with such ease and that course is not easy!
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According to World Athletics, Assefa is the world’s 325th fastest 800 woman in history at 1:59.24. The 325th fastest man in history has run 1:44.87. I'd love to know the fastest marathon run by a marathon with a pb under 1:45.00 for 800 but this is clearly by far the best for a woman with a sub-2:00 800 pb.
I know Haile and Kipchoge were 3:33 1500 guys but Geb's 800 pb is 1:49. Kipchoge doesn't have an 800 pb. Which sub-1:$5 guys have run a marathon?
As soon as Hassan debuts in the marathon we will reset what’s possible in terms of range for the women.
Augustine (Love that name!) Choge was a 1:44.86/3:29.47/3:50.01/7:28.76/12:53.66/59:26 monster - and in my mind after that magnificent 5926 in 2017 for the half marathon in Ras Al Kaimah, he should’ve gone on to becoming a 2:06:00 type marathon runner but it wasn’t to happen and his official marathon turned out to be 2:20:53 at New York City in 2021.
According to World Athletics, Assefa is the world’s 325th fastest 800 woman in history at 1:59.24. The 325th fastest man in history has run 1:44.87. I'd love to know the fastest marathon run by a marathon with a pb under 1:45.00 for 800 but this is clearly by far the best for a woman with a sub-2:00 800 pb.
I know Haile and Kipchoge were 3:33 1500 guys but Geb's 800 pb is 1:49. Kipchoge doesn't have an 800 pb. Which sub-1:$5 guys have run a marathon?
As soon as Hassan debuts in the marathon we will reset what’s possible in terms of range for the women.
Sir, people might consider me crazy but I believe these 29:00-29:30 type women (Hassan, Gidey, Yehualaw, Kosgei, etc…) will have the capacity to run the marathon in 2:11:00 - 2:13:00 - Bookmark these words and check in again in 2 to 3 years from now and I think it is almost guaranteed that someone will hit those kind of times in that time range. It’s a psychological process to come over. Those girls have more talent than some South American and central American runners who run around 209 and 210 and I’m thinking of people like Castelblanco (Panama), Munoz (Argentina), Ayala (Paraguay) who have all run in the 2:09:00-2:10:00 range.
Augustine (Love that name!) Choge was a 1:44.86/3:29.47/3:50.01/7:28.76/12:53.66/59:26 monster - and in my mind after that magnificent 5926 in 2017 for the half marathon in Ras Al Kaimah, he should’ve gone on to becoming a 2:06:00 type marathon runner but it wasn’t to happen and his official marathon turned out to be 2:20:53 at New York City in 2021.
In the category of woulda, shoulda, coulda….both Farah and Lagat should be sub 1:45, sub 2:06 if they had tried in these events at the right times of their career. I realize this is just hypothetical and neither ran the times. Is Farah alone in the sub 3:30, sub 2:06 crowd? 3:28.9 and 2:05 is an impressive range.
Sir, people might consider me crazy but I believe these 29:00-29:30 type women (Hassan, Gidey, Yehualaw, Kosgei, etc…) will have the capacity to run the marathon in 2:11:00 - 2:13:00 - Bookmark these words and check in again in 2 to 3 years from now and I think it is almost guaranteed that someone will hit those kind of times in that time range. It’s a psychological process to come over. Those girls have more talent than some South American and central American runners who run around 209 and 210 and I’m thinking of people like Castelblanco (Panama), Munoz (Argentina), Ayala (Paraguay) who have all run in the 2:09:00-2:10:00 range.
Maybe so, but among those women, only Hassan has posted an 800 of 1:56.8!!
I thought you were supposed to be good with numbers rojo?
Are you seriously comparing a woman time of 1.59 to a man running 1.44?
No. A WR is an outlier performance, which is not a good point of comparison. Percentage isn't great either since it assumes differences are linear between different events, which they aren't necessarily. Example: take 115% performance for the men's marathon WR (2:01/2:19), and the men's 800 WR (1:41/1:56). 2:19 is a sub-elite performance, 1:56 is a decent time for a HS boy.
The best way to compare athletic performances is by using a percentile/rank comparison, which is essentially what the IAAF point system is. There is inherently some bias as participation differs between events (PV vs. 100m). For certain events where the women's event is more recent such as steeplechase, comparison is more suspect as well. However, in general you can use this model to get a pretty good idea of equivalence. Men just don't like it because it deflates their ego a bit. I'll redo my above comparison: a 2:19 marathon is 1006 points. A 1:56 800 is 862 points. The equivalent to 2:19 (1006 points) is 1:50.7. I'd argue that the IAAF system overvalues shorter events due to participation (shorter events get more padded at the back end), but this isn't wildly off as both performances are sub-elite.
Your point about peak fertility is both wrong and irrelevant. Peak fertility for women is during their late teens and early 20s. Most women setting their PBs in their mid-20s to 30s (older for longer events). Olympic level female athletes tend not to choose to have children until ~30 or later for this reason.
How can you be so surprised? As you said in your preview, "the field, frankly, is not that strong."
This seems exactly what we should have expected from Assefa. She was a really good, but not great 800 runner. She ran (barely) under 2 a few times, but didn't make it out of heats at PDX in 2016 or Rio. Yes, she won a DL race, but it was a "promotional" race (ie, not a "real" DL race for DL points).
For comparison, her PR is a full second slower than Phoebe Wright, another really good but not great 800 runner.
She decided to move up to the roads, and spent the next five years re-tooling. In that time she ran 5 races, again with good but not great results. She started racing for real this year. She ran better than in 2019, but still wasn't among the best -- at Riyadh, in her marathon debut, she was a well-beaten 7th, 8 minutes behind in a not top field.
Then yesterday, on a fast day on a fast course, she ran a fast marathon, beating another good, but not great field.
I thought you were supposed to be good with numbers rojo?
Are you seriously comparing a woman time of 1.59 to a man running 1.44?
No. A WR is an outlier performance, which is not a good point of comparison. Percentage isn't great either since it assumes differences are linear between different events, which they aren't necessarily. Example: take 115% performance for the men's marathon WR (2:01/2:19), and the men's 800 WR (1:41/1:56). 2:19 is a sub-elite performance, 1:56 is a decent time for a HS boy.
The best way to compare athletic performances is by using a percentile/rank comparison, which is essentially what the IAAF point system is. There is inherently some bias as participation differs between events (PV vs. 100m). For certain events where the women's event is more recent such as steeplechase, comparison is more suspect as well. However, in general you can use this model to get a pretty good idea of equivalence. Men just don't like it because it deflates their ego a bit. I'll redo my above comparison: a 2:19 marathon is 1006 points. A 1:56 800 is 862 points. The equivalent to 2:19 (1006 points) is 1:50.7. I'd argue that the IAAF system overvalues shorter events due to participation (shorter events get more padded at the back end), but this isn't wildly off as both performances are sub-elite.
Your point about peak fertility is both wrong and irrelevant. Peak fertility for women is during their late teens and early 20s. Most women setting their PBs in their mid-20s to 30s (older for longer events). Olympic level female athletes tend not to choose to have children until ~30 or later for this reason.
Reading comprehension is off the chart awful on this site. Posters and their biases! I stated CORRELATES. R. Johnson stated 800m performances. Most females, not world class women with shoe contracts but most females set their 800m personal best as a teenager. Most females who run in U.S. set their 800m personal best by age 19 then switch to longer events.
I thought you were supposed to be good with numbers rojo?
Are you seriously comparing a woman time of 1.59 to a man running 1.44?
No. A WR is an outlier performance, which is not a good point of comparison. Percentage isn't great either since it assumes differences are linear between different events, which they aren't necessarily. Example: take 115% performance for the men's marathon WR (2:01/2:19), and the men's 800 WR (1:41/1:56). 2:19 is a sub-elite performance, 1:56 is a decent time for a HS boy.
The best way to compare athletic performances is by using a percentile/rank comparison, which is essentially what the IAAF point system is. There is inherently some bias as participation differs between events (PV vs. 100m). For certain events where the women's event is more recent such as steeplechase, comparison is more suspect as well. However, in general you can use this model to get a pretty good idea of equivalence. Men just don't like it because it deflates their ego a bit. I'll redo my above comparison: a 2:19 marathon is 1006 points. A 1:56 800 is 862 points. The equivalent to 2:19 (1006 points) is 1:50.7. I'd argue that the IAAF system overvalues shorter events due to participation (shorter events get more padded at the back end), but this isn't wildly off as both performances are sub-elite.
Your point about peak fertility is both wrong and irrelevant. Peak fertility for women is during their late teens and early 20s. Most women setting their PBs in their mid-20s to 30s (older for longer events). Olympic level female athletes tend not to choose to have children until ~30 or later for this reason.
no. women's athletics are not as deep as mens. this has always been the case.
Lagat and Farah were not sub 1:45 type talents. Lagat attempted the 800 several times and couldn't do better than 1:46. Farah would probably be a 1:46.xx as well. similar to Jakob I think.
