Amazing that Grant Fisher outkicked a guy like Cole Hocker whose kick is sick. Always great to cheer for the true long distance guy. But the time is even more insane. World athletics scoring says this is comparable to a 12:32 outdoor 5k, and a 26:07 outdoor 10K!
That is crazy.
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Grant didn't outkick Hocker, neither last 200m was an injection of speed. Grant overtook Hocker on good foot speed BUT mainly with superior endurance today.
Wrong take, considering the pace of their last 400m, let alone the even faster pace of their last 200m, was faster than the overall race’s average pace.
How much faster does your science tell you he could have run that day. If he was capable of 7:16, or faster, he would have also won the Olympic 1500m last year.
Drafting costs someone half a second a lap in a 1500m. Jakob led gun to tape so that is almost 2 seconds. He also ran with poor pacing, costing another half seconds. That put’s him under 3:26, or around 7:15.
If Jakob was in 7:14 3k shape and still finished out of the medals in the 1500m, that’s embarrassing.
Actually, real runners know that temperature is not an absolute measurement. As it applies to runners in competition the Suns altitude in the sky matters a lot. Running in the shade or low altitude is in no way comparable to running with a direct overhead Sun. You know this is true by your own experience. Go run at 2 or 3pm in afternoon in the Summer. Compare that to the same run, same temp at 7 or 8 pm in the evening. The first is hell. The second is absolutely pleasant. Or maybe you're not really a runner and can't understand the difference....
I don’t know if other posters have told you the following: 1. Temperatures are measured in the shadow in the weather forecast, as it was here.
So Americans seem to have been learning from Kenyans about how to succeed.
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If you are referring to altitude training and incredible focused training? Then YES. Wait til outdoors if Grant, Cole, Shelby, W. Morgan, Hobbs, Yared, Weini, Elise, Amy, Parker x 2, Ellie, Heather, AND COMPANY stay healthy...USA could win the medal haul TOTAL from 800m to marathon. Stayed tuned U.S.A. coming soon to dominate near you.
So Americans seem to have been learning from Kenyans about how to succeed.
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If you are referring to altitude training and incredible focused training? Then YES. Wait til outdoors if Grant, Cole, Shelby, W. Morgan, Hobbs, Yared, Weini, Elise, Amy, Parker x 2, Ellie, Heather, AND COMPANY stay healthy...USA could win the medal haul TOTAL from 800m to marathon. Stayed tuned U.S.A. coming soon to dominate near you.
To me, what they might have learned is how to be aggressive and get after it (better fitness probably helps), rather sitting five or ten meters back in the pack and wishing.
Drafting costs someone half a second a lap in a 1500m. Jakob led gun to tape so that is almost 2 seconds. He also ran with poor pacing, costing another half seconds. That put’s him under 3:26, or around 7:15.
If Jakob was in 7:14 3k shape and still finished out of the medals in the 1500m, that’s embarrassing.
that was epic ballsy insanity by Jacob that made for the spectacle.
when you gamble big you win / lose big.
at the end of the day, in the big 4 results, Jacob is like 20 vs 5 win loss.
and jacob basically set up his foes with the very best chance to beat him doing the work.
Komen did it in unplayed spikes solo and no sprung track... Not comparable.
this.
We should not discount that this was a WR. Fisher and Hocker, both Olympic medalists, ran at an all time world class level and put it all on the line for this race. It was amazing to watch.
It does underscore that time today are no longer comparable to 5+ years ago. Most people think of 7:30 as being very fast because just a few years ago it was. But Teare finished in 6th place behind 3 other Americans in a field with ZERO Africans. Technology has change the value of race times. Shoes (likely the biggest contributor), tracks, and possibly some other factors changed the game. The record books have been rewritten and pre super shoe world class race times are no longer relevant at the top level of the sport.
Tech has definitely changed the game. Shoes. Better tracks. As a newer fan, I wonder if there are more time trial type 3000s run than ever before? Perhaps way more than ever before? Seems there are time trial opps lined up every week throughout the winter, between Boston and NY.
So Americans seem to have been learning from Kenyans about how to succeed.
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If you are referring to altitude training and incredible focused training? Then YES. Wait til outdoors if Grant, Cole, Shelby, W. Morgan, Hobbs, Yared, Weini, Elise, Amy, Parker x 2, Ellie, Heather, AND COMPANY stay healthy...USA could win the medal haul TOTAL from 800m to marathon. Stayed tuned U.S.A. coming soon to dominate near you.
You left out what has resulted in several hundred violations. They aren't good at avoiding being caught. Most Americans are.
Dude let it go, if you hate Americans than stop reading and posting on an American based website. If you feel that negative about a sport than please stop following that sport. Seriously a little less is sometimes BEST.
After Grant SHATTERS the 5000m indoor WR you really going to be upset. If pacers can get him close to 3000m on target, look for a massive WR!
Grant improved his out right 1500m pb by almost a full second, his 3000m by 3 seconds and the longer distance he races the better his performance...so imagine what's in store for 5000m and 10000m outdoors.
