Kipchoge 2:01:09 Official

So are they going to publish his test results transparently right now please by a reputable lab??? I have no doubt he is the greatest talent ever at the distance but these times keep improving with age is just ludicrous. It makes a 2:04 or 2:05 effort seem pointless. How close is the nearest non-African? Does the man not feel any pain??? This is well beyond being “THE GOAT” into the Marvel Superhuman realm!

His test results were published during the Nike sub2 project a few years ago before he ran 2.00.25 at Monza.

Since then Nike have been continuing to work on improving the shoe technology.

What makes elite distance runners more economical seems to be a combination of a 70ml/kg/min oxygen uptake or thereabouts and a 51 second 400m ability or thereabouts, combined with the right training.

There is no secret magic bullet. But we also have to take Kipchoge's personality into account. He is obviously very dedicated to his profession and easy to get along with.

It's disappointing to me that so many silly old men want to poison young people's minds with these endless drug endorsements, whilst pretending to be anti-doping.

Who could seriously challenge him at any marathon though, his only worthy challenger is the clock.

If he ran with even splits, his time would have been something close to 2:00:20 to 2:00:25. Pretty crazy. As another said, he just keeps making the impossible possible. Is there anyone older than him to run a half marathon under 60 minutes?

No and I believe that he beat Geb’s age 37 best of 1:00:18 today (59:51)

Correction: his only worthy challengers are drug testing officials but right now they seem to be on his side.

Hell, if he'd merely run that *disappointing* second half twice in a row, he'd have run 2:02:36...a time that only Bekele has ever beaten (and Kipchoge himself, of course).

Seriously? We’re supposed to believe he can defy the laws of aging because he’s a nice person?! Give me a break!! Wasn’t Sammy Sosa nice? Marion Jones? Asbel Kiprop?

Even if you believe that nonsense about his oxygen uptake, it doesn’t explain how he is continuing to get better at his age. Being anti-doping means spotting the obvious and not looking the other way when someone’s performance defies all logic. If Kipchoge was almost 28 I could believe he’s clean. But smashing world records just a few weeks shy of 38?! That’s as suspicious as it gets.

I get … 2:00:35.5

Psssst..... have you heard of the new shoe technology? Pssst..... it really helps Runners to be faster at the same energy output. Pssst..... look it up.

[In other words kipchoge has not really improved much or at all since 2:03 days but just has better shoes.]

Thanks for the backup Farcical! I’m not antiAfrican in any way and I love the people and all of the amazing talent but I just can’t square in my mind how he’s continuing to improve the older he gets?!?! What’s next? He and Beckele seemed to have peak at different times very conveniently but when you go back to that world cross county race, B destroys him! Possibly a time when there was experimental things going on?!? As a person Kip is a remarkably calm and gentle man and an super nice guy but I just wonder if something is being manipulated here over the last decade

As many who have investigated doping have concluded, it is in every sport and every country at the top level today, with the frequent collusion of sports governance bodies. As WADA heads have concluded, doping remains ahead of antidoping and few can now be caught. As confidential athlete surveys have shown, doping is rife at the top level. As the effects of doping have further shown, it enables dopers to beat clean athletes - or there would be no doping; gaining advantage is everything. The practice has grown in recent decades and become a fully professional activity in many sports.

From all that, how is it reasonable to conclude that the best and the fastest today are clean and able to beat athletes of similar ability who are doping? If we go with what is probable it suggests that to win at the top today requires doping.

And here is another who maintains doping doesn't improve stamina. Tell that to the athletes who have blood doped and then used EPO for decades.

You’re very welcome! Your “What’s next?” question makes me think of a question I have for everyone here who believes Kipchoge is clean: If what he did today at nearly age 38 isn’t enough to raise your suspicion, then what kind of performance and at what age would it take for you to start questioning him? 1:59? 1:58? Age 39? Age 40? At what point do his performances become too incredible for you?

2 years is a long time post 35 but he does look really good. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes like 20 years for the rest of the world to catch up to this.

The marathon used to be noticeably weaker than 5000/10000 10 years ago. That isn't remotely true anymore.

It was a race, just no one, no one can keep up to race him. Do you want him to slow down to race someone?

I also think there's something 'special' about him, how he thinks and reacts when he starts to tire, his mental strength is off the charts.

Where do you guys “get” these figures? Some calculator? If so, upon what is it based?

This is why the LR boards get criticism. It’s impossible to have a discussion without getting hijacked by the same attention deprived loners with the same lame rhetoric.