Just a reminder that as outlandish as the question seems, it reminded me that Jakob has of course run at sub-2 hour marathon pace alongside Kipchoge already- during the 1:59 challenge. So we have a tiny example of how comfortable he looked for a few chunks of marathon pacing at least! Looking back, that really was a who's who of pacers who turned up for that.
How long could Jakob Ingebrigtsen stay with Eliud Kipchoge tomorrow if he tried?
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Lasan Cab wrote:
If Eliud wants to break his WR, he has to average close to 2:51 per km tomorrow. If Jakob Ingebrigtsen tried to keep up with him tomorrow, how long until he has to drop out?
Why do people ask idiotic questions on this forum?
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Just to settle the question of the Boston hills being "speed bumps" compared to some trail races, the answer is yes:
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cxvcvxvvdfdfsdf wrote:
Just to settle the question of the Boston hills being "speed bumps" compared to some trail races, the answer is yes:
Kipchoge could climb and descend mt everest in under two hours, this doesn't frighten him.
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n9 wrote:
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Kipchoge would probably win that race, if he trained specifically for it.
That's not fun. It's well known that ultras and mountain races are less competitive so world class athletes might be like 99 percentile of talent to win while in track and road you have to be 99.999 or it's not worth to bother. So there's not much to prove.
Now of we put current Kipchoge (tuned up for flat marathons in good conditions) and put him in UTMB and see if he sucks or does well, that is unpredictable and thus interesting.
Also if he trains for Boston with hills and unpredictable weather, and we put him in UTMB instead. Now that would be even more fun. He would probably make slight adjustments to his training and those will all but eliminate the chances of him completely sucking, but how good will he do?
Kipchoge would have to completely change his body type. His economy is perfect for flats but I bet his quads would be shattered after a 5mi descent with killian. The best mountain ultra guys give up lean speedy legs for strong durable ones to handle all the elevation and technical terrain. It’s practically a different sport. Not saying Kipchoge would be great, but he’d have to spend a year changing his body to be successful.
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cxvcvxvvdfdfsdf wrote:
Just to settle the question of the Boston hills being "speed bumps" compared to some trail races, the answer is yes:
Awesome graphic. Runners on here truly underestimate what trail races are like. They see 10min miles and can only relate it to miles on the road. A 10min mile in some of the hardest races could be an all out mile effort.
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Unfortunately, the pacemakers saw this thread before the race
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yeah considering they split half in 59:50…idk how much longer he could have gone
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59:51 whoops wrote:
Unfortunately, the pacemakers saw this thread before the race
It's funny how we all knew the pacemakers would go out in sub 60 but Kipchoge did not.
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25K would have been the correct answer.
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ParkwayKing wrote:
Jornet easily beats untrained Kipchoge at UTMB. Bombing technical downhills is an actual skill you have to learn over months/years of training. Pure aerobic power doesn't make up for it. Kipchoge trips by mile 30, blows up a limb or cracks his head open, and Jornet cruises past for an ez win.
It wouldn't even be close. Jornet would destroy him. People have no concept of how much climbing there is at UTMB. It's 35,000 feet. That's likely Kipchoges vert for an entire year. He has skinny road legs that would be absolutely destroyed by the technical downhills. World class athlete or not, it would take him multiple years to get his body ready to win that race.
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Jakob will be the GOAT wrote:
Stupid question. Jakob is not a marathoner. If Kipchoge tried to race a 1500 against Jakob today, how long could Kipchoge keep up with Jakob’s pace? Two laps?
Jacob clearly is a marathoner if he wants to be. Who do you think he is, the Big Muzungo?
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AP5000 wrote:
ParkwayKing wrote:
Jornet easily beats untrained Kipchoge at UTMB. Bombing technical downhills is an actual skill you have to learn over months/years of training. Pure aerobic power doesn't make up for it. Kipchoge trips by mile 30, blows up a limb or cracks his head open, and Jornet cruises past for an ez win.
It wouldn't even be close. Jornet would destroy him. People have no concept of how much climbing there is at UTMB. It's 35,000 feet. That's likely Kipchoges vert for an entire year. He has skinny road legs that would be absolutely destroyed by the technical downhills. World class athlete or not, it would take him multiple years to get his body ready to win that race.
Why are you talking about Jornet? This thread is about KINGgebrigtsen vs KipGOATe
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(25 to 32.5)K but ... wrote:
25K would have been the correct answer.
but,......not after what transpired earlier today!
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Ultraplus wrote:
Awesome graphic. Runners on here truly underestimate what trail races are like. They see 10min miles and can only relate it to miles on the road. A 10min mile in some of the hardest races could be an all out mile effort.
Totally agree. I had ran several off-road races that didn’t feature much elevation so I always assumed those ultra trail runners were just not that fast. Last month I did a half marathon in Colorado at close to 10,000ft with thousands of feet of gain and loss. Part of the decent had you basically leaping down boulders and then hitting the tightest switchbacks I’ve ever seen, all with a pretty severe drop off should you trip. I realized that real trail running is just totally incomparable to road racing.
Of course Kipchoge has the motor, but if he isn’t use to near unrunable climbing and can’t bomb a downhill, he would not be able to compete at the highest levels.
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Jean Duffy wrote:
boston hill small speed bumps compared to UTMb. Ok thats why Molly Seidel ran the last 10k of the Oly trials faster than ULTRA MONSTER Jim Walmsley lol
Jim ran 12 minutes faster than Molly, also that was his first professional marathon after focusing on ultra trail world for years. The difference between running a hilly marathon with smooth rolling hills vs running up and down mountains climbing and descending thousands of meters is a completely different. If it wasn't, we would expect the pikes peak marathon be held by a sub 2:10 marathon.
Speaking of molly Seidel, did anyone see she seems to be training again? What could she be training for at this point in the season? And any word on her TUE being approved?
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