Official 2015 Monaco Diamond League Discussion Thread

Montesquieu wrote:

Is Jordan Hasay a doper? If so, why is she slower than Emily Sisson? If not, why not? Is Treniere Moser a doper? If so, why did she come in sixth at Nationals? If not, why not? Is the Japanese distance guy a doper? If so, why is he running like crap? If not, why not? Rowbury was a bronze medalist coached by John Cook. She's not chopped liver. If you're inane enough to think that everyone connected to the Nike Oregon Project is a doper, than you're committed to explaining the Luke Puskedras of the world.

v6 wrote:

And the Women's 1500m American Record goes FROM a doper coached by Alberto Salazar TO a doper coached by Alberto Salazar, several decades apart. Bravo, Bertie.

This right here.

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

kjgkuyg wrote:

Prove it.

Ever heard of "burden of proof?" I don't have to prove the track is 390m, you have to prove it isn't!

McCrory ran 49.9. Women's 200 22.08. Jackson 48 on 400 hurdles. All in line w expectations. Track is 400 meters no doubt.

Lshek wrote:

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

Ever heard of "burden of proof?" I don't have to prove the track is 390m, you have to prove it isn't!

McCrory ran 49.9. Women's 200 22.08. Jackson 48 on 400 hurdles. All in line w expectations. Track is 400 meters no doubt.

Ever heard of "saving yourself for worlds?" They were probably just tempoing!

hear me out bro wrote:

Wow. A whole lot of dopers at this meet.

Wow. So let me get this straight...fast=doping.

Brilliant logic. Get a life you idiot.

Montesquieu wrote:

Is Jordan Hasay a doper? If so, why is she slower than Emily Sisson? If not, why not? Is Treniere Moser a doper? If so, why did she come in sixth at Nationals? If not, why not? Is the Japanese distance guy a doper? If so, why is he running like crap? If not, why not? Rowbury was a bronze medalist coached by John Cook. She's not chopped liver. If you're inane enough to think that everyone connected to the Nike Oregon Project is a doper, than you're committed to explaining the Luke Puskedras of the world

How can some of you be this dumb?

Taking drugs doesn't automatically mean that you will be faster than those who are not on drugs. How does that even make sense to you?

Montesquieu wrote:

Is Jordan Hasay a doper? If so, why is she slower than Emily Sisson? If not, why not? Is Treniere Moser a doper? If so, why did she come in sixth at Nationals? If not, why not? Is the Japanese distance guy a doper? If so, why is he running like crap? If not, why not? Rowbury was a bronze medalist coached by John Cook. She's not chopped liver. If you're inane enough to think that everyone connected to the Nike Oregon Project is a doper, than you're committed to explaining the Luke Puskedras of the world.

v6 wrote:

And the Women's 1500m American Record goes FROM a doper coached by Alberto Salazar TO a doper coached by Alberto Salazar, several decades apart. Bravo, Bertie.

Piss-poor logic. Why would suggesting one runner involved with a training group with a questionable history ran fast in part due to that questionable history oblige me to explain why other people aren't fast? Your Jordan Hasay - Emily Sisson example is pretty dense and a very nice strawman, bub. Of course not every doper is faster than every non-doper. There are a hundred factors that go into running fast. I just tend to think that questionable substances are one of those factors for Rowbury.

Shannon Rowbury isn't copped liver at all. She's a great runner. She's not a 3:56 clean running, but she's a great runner. Would have loved to see her run a clean 3:59 today.

The best dope in the world does you no good if you don't eat!

kmaclam wrote:

rojo wrote:

28 degrees is warm. That's 82.4 F.

66% humidity as well.

Not ideal for long distance races.

Given the humitidy they are saying it's the equivalent of 89.6 F or 32 Celsius.

"Not ideal" is an understatement. That's a dewpoint of 70, VERY uncomfortable.

Yeah. Totally not ideal weather to run fast times today.

zccz wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Blessing Okagbare cut into her lane and was finishing in it, not sure what you do when that happens.

To me it looked like she finished the race in lane 6 after starting in 7. Did anyone see the same?

She was disqualified in the end. It indeed happened as was said. Here a video

The lane 6 runner, Shaunae Miller, was still running, not going to stop and then Blessing comes on her lane. That forces her to slow down. I got so confused I didn't see who won.

I go by the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and just appreciate performances that are fast. It makes my enjoyment of the sport a lot greater

Can actually think wrote:

Can you people actually think?

Sadly, for the vast majority of the posters here, the answer is very clearly "NO".

might be wejo wrote:

Boris Berian 1:43.34 shows he's not a one hit wonder. Curious why he sucked it up at USAs.

Heats in the heat is tough. Takes it out of you.

About Rowbury, she ran 4:00.33 seven years ago. And she just lost by 6 seconds, and you're calling out her! Jordan Hasay ran 15:37 in 2011; her PR now is 15:28. Cam Levins ran 27:27 and 13:18 while in college in 2012; now his PRs are 27:07 and 13:15. Treniere Moser ran 4:03.32 in 2006 and under Salazar has improved a whole half second. Puskedra ran 1:01.36 in 2012 and has never run better. And on and on. Take where these people were before Salazar and then after and there is nothing unexceptional. This is not to say that none of them is a doper. It is to say that one can't assume, as you did, that if someone is running for the Nike Oregon Project that person is doping.

Woodstock wrote:

I go by the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and just appreciate performances that are fast. It makes my enjoyment of the sport a lot greater

Couldn't agree more. Astounding performances today. I enjoyed every minute of it.

Lshek wrote:

Woodstock wrote:

I go by the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and just appreciate performances that are fast. It makes my enjoyment of the sport a lot greater

Couldn't agree more. Astounding performances today. I enjoyed every minute of it.

Absolutely. I do not understand the doping speculators. Is that fun for them? To each their own I suppose...

spot on. good post. it's sad how any good mark these days is considered doping. i guess that's the state of the sport.monaco is arguably the biggest mid-distance meet of the year, and somewhat near the world champs so you expect people to run well but when they do we cry, 'doper! the world champs/olympics is when athletes are peaked to be in their best shape... but they have to run rounds to get to the finals, so the times typically aren't as fast due to fatigue......but when they do we assume they are clean?but then a few weeks after the olympics/W.C.'s, people are rested and run fast in european meets and we expect to see fast times.not sure if that makes sense, but it seems like we just don't trust fast performances to be clean unless they are run by athletes we 'feel' to be clean or are white americans who typically run slower that the jamaicans/africans.

Another Option wrote:

... and people wonder why Track and Field isn't more popular.

Any time someone sets a record, our most vocal fans claim it must be drugs. When you eat your young, why would you expect the sport to grow or anyone else to invest their time watching it.

I am not in favor of legalizing drug use in sports, but I also think starting from an assumption of guilt ain't the right way to go either.

Speeding is a crime, but I think we would all cry fowl if you were pulled over and written a ticket by a cop that just said he thought you were speeding. Laws vary throughout the world, but I prefer those that require evidence of a violation.

To those that think a record is the necessary evidence to conclude an athlete is doping, I don't know what to say.

I just want to know how Chuck PT got into this 1500m race?

great run for him (3.34), but how does a guy of his pedigree (before tonight) get into a DL race like this? Must be dozens of faster guys who would have loved to have been in this race.

Simple: he has a good agent.

Woodstock wrote:

I go by the whole innocent until proven guilty thing and just appreciate performances that are fast. It makes my enjoyment of the sport a lot greater

Ditto. Make WADA and USADA earn their salaries. All this accusing and guessing is just defamatory, libelous, cynical and a waste of time... Which is why so many people no longer or infrequently read this board... The traffic here has got to have fallen the past few years...on the message boards/boreds.