Explain Dibaba's post race energy to me...

There is no evidence of cheating and having a burst of energy after setting a WR would be understandable. At the same time, the age of the record, the margin of her improvement, and her gap on the field all raise questions. Is this really possible just with a ability, training, and effort?

She was probably happy from realising she broke a world record,which doesnt happen often.Genzebe dibaba is an astonishing athlete ,and she proves the chinese world records are beatable.I always figured it would take the ethiopians and kenyans to beat them,and they are.I personally dont believe dibaba is clean.thats only my personal opinion,but im not straight out accusing her.What i believe,and what is fact are probably two different things.I dont believe the chinese were clean either,but thats only my opinion.One day i believe the chinese will rise again,but by the time they do,theyll come up against kenyans and ethiopians who will be just too good for them.

In the NBA when a player gets fouled going to the bucket and the ball does not go in, it takes two teammates to help him off the floor. If the ball does go in, the player jumps off the floor and flexes his muscles.

kind of the same thing... wrote:

In the NBA when a player gets fouled going to the bucket and the ball does not go in, it takes two teammates to help him off the floor. If the ball does go in, the player jumps off the floor and flexes his muscles.

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Your analogy, and $1.95, will get you a cup of Pike coffee at Starbucks.

I don't believe she's clean

Women's 1500m is very doped and she is likely 6 seconds faster than any other clean athlete on the all-time list

Verona wrote:

kind of the same thing... wrote:

In the NBA when a player gets fouled going to the bucket and the ball does not go in, it takes two teammates to help him off the floor. If the ball does go in, the player jumps off the floor and flexes his muscles.

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Your analogy, and $1.95, will get you a cup of Pike coffee at Starbucks.

So it's worth $3.00? I can't imagine anything in a starbucks selling for less than $4.95 from what I hear though I have never been in one.

I don't think you're right. She hugged Hassan after the race and there was no sign at all that whatever feeling there was was mutual. And of course Price ran up to hug her--she was the pacesetter and very well might have had a clause in the contract about pacesetting a WR. As best I can see no other runner in the race was enthusiastic toward her and rather than being excited, if anything they seemed disgusted.

douglas burke wrote:

Just another LRCer wrote:

That's because, for the most part, women are petty and jealous. Men do not have such character flaws, which is why you saw most of them congratulating Kiprop.

There were athletes congratulating Genzebe Dibaba after her World Record, did you not see Channel Price hug and pick her up after the race? Even some non distance athletes like hurdler Sharika Nelvis.

There's something called adrenaline...ever heard of it? Haha

interesting question. i once sat in a dr. bob chapman clinic when he was talking about coaching "aerobic milers" the jefferson twins. the start of the presentation was (i think) either tirunesh or m. defar setting the 5k WR and just sort of cruising through the line like that....almost like they could knock out another 300 or 400m at that pace if needed.

his explanation was something along the lines of...when you are so highly aerobically developed, your lactate uptake is so thorough that you don't tie up at the end of a race...even your best race.

damn. i wish i could remember the details better! it was the level 3 class at las vegas in 2006. i know my recollection doesn't add a lot to the discussion....i only mention it because he addressed that specific question.

i'm hope someone reading this thread saw his presentation (in vegas or elsewhere) and can remember the explanation. maybe it had to do with naturally super high HCT from living generation after generation at altitude?

or, EPO as the cynics would say. it's hard not to be one these days...

This is obviously a fast track and the rabbiting was good. I don't think this were easy or "relaxed" for her. Do you think she would have left anything on the track? She is a genetically gifted runner. Her mechanics are flawless. I don't think there is more of a chance of her being doped than any other athlete in the race. I hope Shannon sees now she can run fast and pushes for faster times and now her and everyone sees that running 3:59 in a sit and kick isn't going to cut it.

Sadly, those points mirror my own circumspection about this performance. Those Chinese times were so out there, as were those of the Easter German women, back in the day. And, she didn't even seem to be straining or breathing hard.

I'm reminded of what other cyclists and knowledgeable viewers were saying about Lance Armstrong and that era of cycling. First, there were the statistical arguments - there was a leap to a higher level of power output and speed (without much explanation....better nutrition and training, huh?). Then there was the way the performance was delivered - without seemingly much sign of duress and effort. Yes, highly trained athletes can cruise to fast times seemingly effortlessly, but to reach the highest levels - the levels rarely seen (call them Everest-like peaks), well, that requires leaving it all on the track, so to speak.

She may be clean, but track and elite running in general, are hurting if I can no longer get excited about a sport I loved to watch. I don't watch the live streams of big meets much, and I stopped viewing sprints, or even caring, several years ago.

Did you see Rudisha run the 800m WR? After running alone in the front the whole race faster than anyone ever, he looked like hadn't broken a sweat and kept running around celebrating.

Genzebe is the dirtiest athlete of the last decade. Jama Aden.... Makloufi and all the others. This is a joke and brings our sport down. She's pretty and she smiles, but she is so obviously on drugs. She broke a Chinese WR that no one saw as legitimate!! This whole thread and her defenders make me ill.

I tink dere should be a rabbited-WR and a non-rabbited WR. What d'fook ya need a pacer fo'? Can't ya pace y'self for chrissakes? D'runners who paced demselves had a tuffer task dan d'one wit d'crutch.

I feel d' same way about fookin' caddies for pro golfahs.

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Genzebe is the dirtiest athlete of the last decade. Jama Aden.... Makloufi and all the others. This is a joke and brings our sport down. She's pretty and she smiles, but she is so obviously on drugs. She broke a Chinese WR that no one saw as legitimate!! This whole thread and her defenders make me ill.

If she is dirty, I would not mind taking a shower with her. lol

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As a pretty good runner, I know that when I set a PR, I am extraordinarily happy when I cross the finish line, but I am EXHAUSTED as well. How in the world does Dibaba have so much energy. It all just seems fishy to me.

Have a look at the video:

https://youtu.be/SjOrUCGNhpI

Are you kidding me? Dibaba fell down on the ground after finishing. What about all the women that finished just behind her and were able to remain standing?! As for her energy, maybe, just maybe a WR provides a little extra oomph on top of winning a race, and a new PR.

She is doped to the gills. Next question

Good post. My sentiments exactly. I also think the Monaco track is super fast, possibly illegally so, and this probably knocked a second or two off.

I'd be surprised if she runs anything faster than 3:52 on another track this year.

Deanouk wrote:

I'd be surprised if she runs anything faster than 3:52 on another track this year.

That sentiment is unanimous.

The only other time she'll run the 1500m is the world champs in Beijing in about a month, without a rabbit. After that, she is going to concentrate on the 5000m WR.