Let's talk about the WIND. How many minutes slow was NYCM 2014??

Are there no data available on wind? If you know that you can calculate what is cost you.

Not what I said douche. Tard

Remember Bostonamo! wrote:

The wind did not aid anyone at Boston a few years ago. Therefore it did not hinder anyone in NY this year.

Kawauchi is nice! wrote:

Are there no data available on wind? If you know that you can calculate what is cost you.

What kind of data do you need to calculate wind cost?

Survey data

How windy was it?

very windy-12

somewhat windy-21

average wind-3

somewhat calm-2

very calm-0

Moose costume protected me from wind-3

Barabbas wrote:

You, sir, are not a jogger. Contrary to what most people would say on this board, 2:53 is a very respectable time.

I could not agree more.

Colt the bolt. wrote:Unless you were running completely alone, you also had people/buildings breaking up the wind part of the time.

THIS

Anyone 2:40+ had plenty people to draft off. If you think this wind hurt your time by more than 1 min., you are either fooling yourself or too stupid to draft.

As someone said before: your 2:53 is a 2:53.

I don't know why people are being so dismissive of this question with the simple and reductive answer that "your 2:53 is a 2:53." Yes, the time you ran at NYC is the time you ran, but it's completely worth noting what factors affected the race and what factors didn't.

People who are saying that buildings block wind have never set foot in NYC before. Or any city. Wind has a tunneling effect in dense urban areas. I ran NYC and felt the wind in my face on avenues and then a few blocks later it was at my back.

What the wind also did was affect the amount of energy you spent. Especially on bridges. Leaning into the wind or being pushed around by it costs you bits of energy. You can feel it when you're running.

All of this being said is not to make excuses. It's just to point things out. My time at NYC is the time I ran. I'm not going to waste a lot of time thinking about what could have been on an "ideal" day. But it's still an interesting question. There are too many people on here pretending that to be a blue collar/hardcore/tough runner, you have to dismiss most questions, and that's just not true. This is a totally understandable question and one I'd like to see more fleshed out instead of bashed with dismissive and unnecessary and reductive comments.

The fact that the leaders went out more cautiously to take account of the wind factor may have slowed the winning times more than the wind itself.

Height and weight is also a factor. A 6 foot, 150 pound guy is going to be more affected than 5 foot tall 90 pound girl. Also some people run better in certain types of weather than others.

You'd have to compare say, the average time of the top 1,000 men to other years to make a reasonable estimate about the impact.

Randy Oldman wrote:

The fact that the leaders went out more cautiously to take account of the wind factor may have slowed the winning times more than the wind itself...

Wait, are you one of those guys who was claiming that the 2:03 Boston was because guys thought they could run faster with the wind so they did run faster - but that the effect was all in their heads, the wind itself didn't help them at all?

You could not have said it better....

Anyone who thinks the wind didn't cost the 2:53 fellow several minutes hasn't a clue.

The NYC marathon is a whole different race when the wind blows from that direction...and it's really different when it blows from that direction at that velocity.

A windy day will cost you time...even if the course begins and ends in the same place. But to run 20 miles into that sort of wind...even if you get some shelter...is a long, long way and will cost significant time. A meager 10 secs per mile over those 20 miles and you've lost 3:20.

My honest opinion being a former elite runner and experienced marathoner is that the wind slowed times anywhere from 3-5 minutes. Your question by the way is a good discussion question. Any serious runner watching the race wondered the same thing in regards to the wind and finishing times..

Look up the top N results from 2011 and 2014, compare the averages. You'll have an estimate of what you could have run on a "perfect" day.

Colt the bolt. wrote:

Not what I said douche. Tard

Remember Bostonamo! wrote:

The wind did not aid anyone at Boston a few years ago. Therefore it did not hinder anyone in NY this year.

And speaking of 'tards' it appears that you are incapable of reading whose reply was to whom.

Sorry, but this is the first post on this thread in which I am replying to you. And I am replying to let you know that it is quite apparent that your IQ is well below the threshold for being consider retarded.

Just figured you should know.

ranNYC wrote:I ran NYC and felt the wind in my face on avenues and then a few blocks later it was at my back.

If you ran 2:45 or slower, you should not have "felt wind in [your] face".

Learn how to draft.

I live in NYC and ran this race and many of them before.

You can find a good converter on the secret of running website;

http://thesecretofrunning.com/calculator/

That converter assumes you have equal distance run into the wind as with the wind...which does not happen at NYC. This year, they went into the wind a lot more than they didn't.

Also, it's by the Beaufort scale where each level has a pretty wide spread. I guess you'd have to use level 4-5 for NYC.

Fun calculators though...

otto wrote:

ranNYC wrote:I ran NYC and felt the wind in my face on avenues and then a few blocks later it was at my back.

If you ran 2:45 or slower, you should not have "felt wind in [your] face".

Learn how to draft.

I live in NYC and ran this race and many of them before.

I ran 2:43 and spent 5-8 miles of the race on my own, running up to backs or falling back to get into a pack.

Please don't be so crude next time & assume I don't know "how to draft." People on this board.

I ran 2:43 and spent 5-8 miles of the race on my own, running up to backs or falling back to get into a pack.

The last 5 miles were TAILwind. If you drafted the first 18+, you should not cry like a girl and think you had anything better than your 2:43 in you.

otto wrote:

I ran 2:43 and spent 5-8 miles of the race on my own, running up to backs or falling back to get into a pack.

The last 5 miles were TAILwind. If you drafted the first 18+, you should not cry like a girl and think you had anything better than your 2:43 in you.

I'm not "crying like a girl" haha. I'm just interested in the question. Hell, I'm pretty down with the fact that I could not have had a better day out there, wind or not. But you're just being dismissive. You really are.

If you've ever run NYC before and run in the 2:30-2:45 range, you would know that it's actually bare bones out there on the roads. The first 8-13 miles there are really great packs, but once you hit Queensboro Bridge, you're either falling back and dying on your own or passing the people who are dying. If you're running in a pack, it's probably only 2-3 other guys.

So quite being such a jerk, otto. I don't want to know the effect the wind had so I can make an excuse and be that guy at parties who says "yeah I ran 2:43 but really it was sub 2:40 adjusted." But I'd like to know so it can make me a smarter runner. So if NYC is windy again, maybe I go out slower and wait for the tailwind the last 5 miles. Or if there's a tailwind the first 20 miles, maybe I maximize that.

ranNYC wrote:If you've ever run NYC before and run in the 2:30-2:45 range,

multiple times

If you're running in a pack, it's probably only 2-3 other guys.

Which is more than enough for the 4 miles on 1st Ave, considering you have a tailwind after that.

So if NYC is windy again, maybe I go out slower and wait for the tailwind the last 5 miles.

No, you go out FASTER.

Or if there's a tailwind the first 20 miles, maybe I maximize that.

Good luck waiting for that to happen. You clearly have no idea about that race.