Official 2018 Bislett Games/Oslo Diamond League Discussion Thread

Agreed, I have always thought that this was a joke or the dirty crooks in South Africa trying to pull a fast one.

Moonfaced wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Maybe it's more normal when you aren't on masculinizing drugs!

Just look at her next to every other woman at her level. You can almost always see the cheekbones. There are exceptionally few chipmunks racing at the world class level. The chances of her having a TUE for prednisone are extremely high. Ask anyone who has used prednisone and worked out, it's like rocket fuel.

I'm not saying she is clean but you'd think prednisone would show up in her dope tests because it stays in the system for a long time and she seems to be tested regularly and the Fancy bears data didn’t show her as a TUE user. So until you have evidence...

El Keniano wrote:

The mystery deepens wrote:

Let's take this to the next level....

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2001248933/caster-semenya-s-wife-is-pregnant

That’s too low even for the Standard. I’m ashamed this Kenyan rag has joined in the world mocking African woman.

I know what thrash, they mocked Maggie Thatcher as well, better inform the SJWs.

Some comment about many posts :

a) Supposing Laura Muir is clean (something I strongly think), maybe correct to think she can be the clean WR holder of 1500m (also if I consider Genzebe NOT doped). However, to think she is currently the best in 3000 and 5000m too is ridiculous, since there are not less than 20 African runners (Kenyan or Ethiopia) who are totally clean in their training, and were/are able running well faster than Laura in those distances. The idea all Africans are doped is something, frankly, that can grow in the mind of people not knowing anything about the athletic's reality, and who are not able to individuate the difference among the levels of specific talent.

b) About Samba, I don't agree with El Keniano. If Samba remained in Mauritania, never could have had the opportunity to grow (specialized coach, money for training camps, equipment, etc...). You see what happened with Nicholas Bett (World Champion 2015) and Boniface (silver Olympic medal) : the Kenyan Federation didn't support them in any way, they had the opportunity to grow (under technical and mental point of view) only because their manager, Jukka Harkonen from Finland (who is also the manager of Julius Yego and Manangoi), personally paid their travels, accommodation and the fee of their South African coach. They trained in South Africa for long time, when decided to stay home their performances dramatically decreased. They remained Kenyan as citizenship because Kenya is a great nation, with good social organization, also if nobody takes care, in athletics, of events that are not connected with endurance (from 800m till marathon). But, if you are from Mauritania, where athletics DOESN'T EXIST (they don't have ONE athlete in any event in top 500 in the world last year), and you have great talent, the only way to makes this talent effective is TO CHANGE NATIONALITY, founding some Country which has interest and money to take care of your evolution.

c) Still about Samba : to say that his talent is superior, in all the aspects, to the talent of every other specialist of today, doesn't mean to be a FAN of black people, but simply to have the knowledge for recognizing a potential extra-category athlete, in my opinion the only one who can in the future better the WR of Kevin Young running under 47". In all my life, I remember only Edwin Moses with so great superiority compared with the other competitors, and Samba is still at the beginning of his career. He belongs to the same category of Bolt, Carl Lewis, Bubka, Michael Johnson and few other all-time great in athletics : people with superior talent, who were able to dominate for long periods, because were NATURALLY stronger than the other athletes. Here is not a problem of doping : I'm not sure they were completely clean, but of sure they didn't do anything different from the other athletes of the same period in the same event, and were able to win for years. Simply, THEY WERE MORE TALENTED.

Bett & Boniface were doping. That is only way they were able to come out of nowhere, post fast times for a year, and then disappear. Give me a break. If this Samba isn't doing the same thing, I'll be extremely surprised.

Come on Renato, are you saying that you aren't suspicious of Dibaba? I thought that even you wondered how they ran so well while spending so much time at sea level? You do realise that in Sabadell, in the room right next door to Dibaba's, they found a truckload of EPO and steroids?

So Manangoi's manager is the same as Yego's? Yego is on the Fancy bears list.

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://www.letsrun.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/IAAF2.pdf&hl=en_US

Not a good look.

Explains why Managoi is on the same level as Jakob Ingebrigtsen. now.

Nippon Telenet wrote:

Weird meet. Nice 1500, PATHETIC mile. Some top Kenyans have clearly eased off the sauce. Manangoi was spooked by the Kiprop bust. Semenya continues to be a joke. Props to clean 1500 WR holder Muir for being the first legit athlete to cross the line in the 800.

Legit athlete?

Yeah, that's cute.

She was fawn-eyed about David McHenry and his special sauce until she found out people actually knew about his sauce and she demurred from slurping anymore of his NOP sauce. Suspicious???

Just as suspicious as GB.

What the heck are you slurping?

Manangoi was injured immediately after Commonwealth Games, and is not interested to rush for recovering the best shape at the moment, since he needs to be at his top for July (Monaco meeting), August (African Championships that can decide the African Team for the Continental Cup that is the main goal in the season) and the Diamond League final in September.

At the moment, Timothy Cheruiyot is in better shape, because didn't have any injury.

They train together, last year improved together, and if at the moment are not at the same level there is some reason, THAT IS NOT CONNECTED WITH DOPING.

When finally you can learn that also the best athletes have problems of injuries and sickness, and not only of doping, finally you can better understand what there is BEHIND the training for top performances.

About Genzebe, I had suspicions when she trained for about two following months at sea level, because it's something that NO Kenyan or Ethiopian runners normally accept to go. However, from the beginning of last year she was ORDERED to train in Ethiopia with an Ethiopian coach, and today ran alone (the pacer Gloria Kite was able to run 650m only at that pace) in 3'56".

Before speaking about doping, we must be able to individuate the different of talent, and this seems a too difficult exercise for the LR people.

When you are able running under 50"0 WITH ONE MONTH OF BAD TRAINING AFTER 8 MONTHS OF TOTAL REST, maybe you have some specific talent. They came from nowhere FOR YOU, who know Kenyan athletics like I know baseball in US (I don't know the rules, too), but who follows the few local competitions in the period pf April and May already knew the talent of Nicholas (and his brother Haron Koech has the same talent, if not better).

Nicholas was able to run 1'47" in 800m in 2010, something that probably at the moment no other specialists of 400hs are able to do, and his explosion is due to the fact he had the opportunity to train with a very good coach of hurdles, on tartan tracks, in order to increase his technique and is rhythm among the hurdles.

And, about Samba, he started his real activity from one year only, and is the most talented athlete I ever saw for the event, after Edwn Moses and Kevin Young (we speak of 40 and 26 years ago).

Quick question:

Samba is not that superior to his competitor, Warholm was not far behind in Rome (both running below 48 seconds). How is Samba in your eyes that superior? Warholm is a beginner as well in this event, with only 2 years in the event, a lot of potential for improvement in technique and probably the best mentality of the 400mh runners. Don't forget he has improved massively from last year already. I'm not saying Samba isn't the best talent, but I think its far too early to say.

So my question Mr. Canova, why do you think Samba is so superior?

Renato Canova wrote:

Manangoi was injured immediately after Commonwealth Games, and is not interested to rush for recovering the best shape at the moment, since he needs to be at his top for July (Monaco meeting), August (African Championships that can decide the African Team for the Continental Cup that is the main goal in the season) and the Diamond League final in September.

At the moment, Timothy Cheruiyot is in better shape, because didn't have any injury.

They train together, last year improved together, and if at the moment are not at the same level there is some reason, THAT IS NOT CONNECTED WITH DOPING.

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Thanks for this update, Coach. I suspected something as such. Hopefully he'll be back on form by July. I heard he, and coach Bernard Ouma, genuinely believe he can attack the world record one day.

Renato Canova wrote:

About Genzebe, I had suspicions when she trained for about two following months at sea level, because it's something that NO Kenyan or Ethiopian runners normally accept to go. However, from the beginning of last year she was ORDERED to train in Ethiopia with an Ethiopian coach, and today ran alone (the pacer Gloria Kite was able to run 650m only at that pace) in 3'56".

Before speaking about doping, we must be able to individuate the different of talent, and this seems a too difficult exercise for the LR people.

Last year was her worst year in many seasons.

McHenry'sDopers wrote:

Legit athlete?

Yeah, that's cute.

She was fawn-eyed about David McHenry and his special sauce until she found out people actually knew about his sauce and she demurred* from slurping anymore of his NOP sauce. Suspicious???

Just as suspicious as GB.

* De-Muired shurely?

Seems neither Samba nor Warholm is the superior athlete in this event, it clearly is Benjamin. Great run.

Jakob ran that 3:36 leading almost the entire race. The rabbits weren’t of much help at all. In Monaco with better pacing I bet he runs 3:32 and wouldn’t be surprised to see faster.

https://youtu.be/Cb-TFsQfnw4

You might watch this from this week's US NCAA meet.