HS XC Boys States Rankings?

Probably a strong correlation with best k-12 education rankings by state

For the kids wrote:

Probably a strong correlation with best k-12 education rankings by state

Agree to a point. Obviously you have to consider number of kids.

I will go out on a limb here but I am going to say California, Texas, and New York will all have strong teams.

I think Hawaii will struggle.

State Champ wrote:

For the kids wrote:

Probably a strong correlation with best k-12 education rankings by state

Agree to a point. Obviously you have to consider number of kids.

What about Texas?

Population by State is almost certain to correlate with XC success. Obviously this would need some tweaking, but it's close enough.

California 39,144,818

Texas 27,469,114

Florida 20,271,272

New York 19,795,791

Illinois 12,859,995

Pennsylvania 12,802,503

Ohio 11,613,423

Georgia 10,214,860

North Carolina 10,042,802

Michigan 9,922,576

New Jersey 8,958,013

Virginia 8,382,993

Washington 7,170,351

Arizona 6,828,065

Massachusetts 6,794,422

Indiana 6,619,680

Tennessee 6,600,299

Missouri 6,083,672

Maryland 6,006,401

Wisconsin 5,771,337

Minnesota 5,489,594

Colorado 5,456,574

South Carolina 4,896,146

Alabama 4,858,979

Louisiana 4,670,724

Kentucky 4,425,092

Oregon 4,028,977

Oklahoma 3,911,338

Connecticut 3,590,886

Iowa 3,123,899

Utah 2,995,919

Mississippi 2,992,333

Arkansas 2,978,204

Kansas 2,911,641

Nevada 2,890,845

New Mexico 2,085,109

Nebraska 1,896,190

West Virginia 1,844,128

Idaho 1,654,930

Hawaii 1,431,603

New Hampshire 1,330,608

Maine 1,329,328

Rhode Island 1,056,298

Montana 1,032,949

Delaware 945,934

South Dakota 858,469

North Dakota 756,927

Alaska 738,432

DC 672,228

Vermont 626,042

Wyoming 586,107

Florida is terrible, as is most of the south, and a lot of states punch way above their weight (esp. Utah)

Maybe a little more to it wrote:

Florida is terrible, as is most of the south, and a lot of states punch way above their weight (esp. Utah)

The weather sucks, the coaches suck, and football is king.

Of course Utah punches above their weight. Does any state at altitude not?

Some order of:

California

Texas

Utah

New York

Florida

California

Texas

New York

Mississippi

Illinois

1. California

2. Utah

3. New York

4. Texas

5. Illinois

6. Colorado

7.Minnesota

8. Washington

9. Ohio

10. Michigan

11. Virginia

12. Pennsylvania

13. Florida

14. New Jersey

15. North Carolina

16. Tennessee

17. Massachusetts

18. Missouri

19. Iowa

20. Indiana

Shoot forgot to put in Oregon. They'd be around 8-11

The Southeast has been a punching bag for cross country for years. Rightly so? Probably. But, I'd say the quality here is improving rapidly, with pockets producing solid teams and programs. Virginia is an excellent state for cross country. North Carolina has several high quality programs, especially in the Raleigh area. Williamson county and surrounding areas in Tennessee produce some great teams, i.e. Brentwood. Kentucky has a couple of good/great teams on an annual basis. Georgia is up and coming - Marietta was good a couple of years ago. Atlanta's northern suburbs have several good programs (not great yet). Florida does underperform based on population, but still has several good programs.

Vermont is probably the worst, in the smallest division there you can win state with a 17:00 5k

FL coach wrote:

The Southeast has been a punching bag for cross country for years. Rightly so? Probably. But, I'd say the quality here is improving rapidly, with pockets producing solid teams and programs. Virginia is an excellent state for cross country. North Carolina has several high quality programs, especially in the Raleigh area. Williamson county and surrounding areas in Tennessee produce some great teams, i.e. Brentwood. Kentucky has a couple of good/great teams on an annual basis. Georgia is up and coming - Marietta was good a couple of years ago. Atlanta's northern suburbs have several good programs (not great yet). Florida does underperform based on population, but still has several good programs.

Everyone is sleeping on Mississippi but the young talent there needs to be acknowledged. They will be a top 10 state this year

Rubar wrote:

13. Florida

The only reason the times that come out of Florida are so bad is because the coldest it gets during xc season is 80° with a heat index of like 88°. I live in the northern part of the state and it's absolutely insufferable especially early part of xc and the end of track. Also while the courses tend to be flat compared to other states, our ground is completely made up of sand which definitely slows runners down

You can find out by comparing the time of the (pop./1,000,000)*20th runner.

In AL, the 96th 3200 time is 10:27.5

In UT, the 60th 3200 time is 9:48.2

In CA, the 782nd runner is 10:03.9.

This means that Utah>Cali>Alabama when adjusted for population. I used milesplit's database for this because coaches in AL religiously upload to milesplit. CA and UT probably have missing marks from the milesplit database, so in reality AL is even worse than they are comparatively.

alabama runner wrote:

You can find out by comparing the time of the (pop./1,000,000)*20th runner.

is that supposed to make sense to anyone but you?

alabama runner wrote:

You can find out by comparing the time of the (pop./1,000,000)*20th runner.

In AL, the 96th 3200 time is 10:27.5

In UT, the 60th 3200 time is 9:48.2

In CA, the 782nd runner is 10:03.9.

This means that Utah>Cali>Alabama when adjusted for population. I used milesplit's database for this because coaches in AL religiously upload to milesplit. CA and UT probably have missing marks from the milesplit database, so in reality AL is even worse than they are comparatively.

Plus that elevation in Utah...