Researchers say we may need to continue social distancing measures and stay-at- home orders till 2022.

There are various vaccine platforms. There are a lot of unknowns. Things are yet to be proven. The technology for RNA vaccines in unproven and have never been scaled up for productions. Other platforms may or may not produce an effective, long term vaccine since we don't know how much it will mutate over time. They may need to adjust the vaccine over time as the virus mutates.

https://abcnews.go.com/fivethirtyeight/video/close-covid-19-vaccine-fivethirtyeight-70086568

Bands a make hoes dance wrote:

You know, it's funny. People pretend to act like they care about others but they really don't. We see that every day. People are selfish. Let's just open things back up and let the weak die. If I die, so be it. The old people in old age homes go there to die anyways so they would probably prefer we get back to living our lives for the greater good of society.

For example, we let millions die in poverty and starvation and disease in Africa and no one really gives a damn. Much less will die of Covid than of poverty and starvation and disease in Africa. So with that example it would make sense to reopen things at let covid run its course and get back to living and being the selfish beings we truly are.

My father who recently passed spent the last few years in assisted living. For anyone who has never been to a place let me tell you the majority of the residents would rather be dead than continuing the path of their physical and mental deterioration. My dad was better than most and he wasn't well.

Donald, you should post under your own name. Always the coward.

death years ahead wrote:

Something very strange going on wrote:

"If no vaccine is found quickly?" Hmmm....what do they know that they're not telling us? ?

You should have figured that out yesterday. By defunding WHO Trump has guaranteed that development of a vaccine will be bigly delayed ... past 2022. Unless the entire world has access to a vaccine commerce will be dead. No more traveling to countries with no vaccine. No more buying lower cost goods from countries with no vaccine. And those countries will not buy anything from countries with vaccines out of retaliation, and because that stuff will not be affordable.

So, Trump has placed in motion worldwide bankruptcies. The worse president of all time, and most evil person of all time, leaving Hitler in the dust.

Wow - no, Trump is not worse than Hitler. I am not a Trump fan, if you can't tell from my username, but that is a really demented thing to say and frankly insulting to the six million who died in the Holocaust. smh.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

yikes, wow wrote:

Also, don't pretend that by opening things back up that you're giving people a choice. Things are either open, or they aren't. You can't "choose" to go to work if the office is open, you are obligated if you want to keep your job.

Right now if you have a job where you are required to show up to the office you will eventually lose that job regardless if the government continues to shut down that respective business. If the business is not allowed to be open it can’t make money (or as much money in regard to things like restaurants) and thus can’t pay its workers.

If you open up the economy you are at least giving workers who physically have to be at their brick and mortar place of work a fighting chance to make a living.

THIS!!! My husband lost his seemingly very secure finance job a few years in a *good* economy. He found another good (in some ways better) job in about 7 months, but it was very hard and we learned from what happened to him and several others in his department.

Corporations AREN’T CHARITIES. Yes, there are companies saying, “oh we’ll take executive pay cuts and pay everyone for April.” Ok, what about May? And June? Businesses aren’t on a suicide mission.

Everyone always thinks their job is so valuable and they are indispensable and it “can’t happen to me”. Oh yes it can. And in a bad economy, it WILL, for many millions of people in “nice, safe” white collar jobs.

I am looking to how some of the media who are promoting the fear and stay at home or else mantra will turn their narratives when they start getting hit hard financially and losing their jobs.

Last Summer in Europe was one of the hottest of the century.

This Summer in Australia was the hottest one since many years.

And I predict this Summer that is coming will be very hot. Now April in Italy and the land is dry.

When the temperature will go for several weeks up to 86° to 100° F , Covid 19 it will be a very hard times for you.

I think and I hope that the power of our Star the Sun will destroy the covid 19.

Covid 19 you dont have any chance against the power of our father Sun.

You will melt down like an icecrean on a sunny day

tyz door wrote:

Let the genetically week die I’m not giving up 3 tracks and xc seasons for them, that is absolutely ridiculous.

Football players will beat you to a pulp when we get food shortages. Enjoy running with a neck and back brace .

And anyway this Covid 19 comes out from Wuhan lab. No doubt about it. Is not natural. They are covering the truth since November

Good post worth reiterating. I don't envy the mayors, governors, and leaders who have to make these tough decisions. Ultimately, there are going to be a lot of people who are going to be unhappy (this poster included) with whatever decisions they make.

Mondo Hondo wrote:

I think the answer still lies in the goal or purpose for we started all this. You enact physical/social restrictions until that time at which the hospitals have built up the capacity they say they need (which seems to be almost exclusively directed to their shortage of ventilators). Then end the restrictions. At that point, society has done pretty much all it can as to the hospital capacity issue. After that it's up to the individual how many safety measures they want to take, but there is really no more purpose served in government restrictions. (And, of course, we continue to invest in medical treatments for Covid and technologies that allow social distancing where desired.)

Unfortunately, this recession won't kill off CNN and Fox News and the abject crap they report.

WHO does not develop vaccines--Pfizer, Novartis, and GlaxoSmithKline develop vaccines. WHO is a think tank and a redistribution mechanism for medicines developed by pharmaceutical companies. There focus is in eliminating cholera amd similar issues in the third world--a noble goal. But they don't have the mojo to do what you suggest with Covid. The federal government is not responsible for stockpiling PPE, or developing test kits, or developing vaccines. If they were responsible--it would never happen effectively. The best thing they can do now is get out of the way of people who know how this stuff works.

death years ahead wrote:

Something very strange going on wrote:

"If no vaccine is found quickly?" Hmmm....what do they know that they're not telling us? ?

You should have figured that out yesterday. By defunding WHO Trump has guaranteed that development of a vaccine will be bigly delayed ... past 2022. Unless the entire world has access to a vaccine commerce will be dead. No more traveling to countries with no vaccine. No more buying lower cost goods from countries with no vaccine. And those countries will not buy anything from countries with vaccines out of retaliation, and because that stuff will not be affordable.

So, Trump has placed in motion worldwide bankruptcies. The worse president of all time, and most evil person of all time, leaving Hitler in the dust.

Bands a make hoes dance wrote:

You know, it's funny. People pretend to act like they care about others but they really don't. We see that every day. People are selfish. Let's just open things back up and let the weak die. If I die, so be it. The old people in old age homes go there to die anyways so they would probably prefer we get back to living our lives for the greater good of society.

For example, we let millions die in poverty and starvation and disease in Africa and no one really gives a damn. Much less will die of Covid than of poverty and starvation and disease in Africa. So with that example it would make sense to reopen things at let covid run its course and get back to living and being the selfish beings we truly are.

Hey, welcome to the tough choices in life that happen all the time. Ask why we set the driving limit so high when if we halve it we save tens of thousands of lives a year. Yes that is right, we have sacrificed convieniece and productivity of travel for more people dying. This is one example of too many to mention. Wake up.

Come on, Man wrote:

WHO does not develop vaccines--Pfizer, Novartis, and GlaxoSmithKline develop vaccines.

Incorrect.

The WHO has played a leading role in several public health achievements, most notably the eradication of smallpox, the near-eradication of polio, and the development of an Ebola vaccine.

In 2007, the WHO organized work on pandemic influenza vaccine development through clinical trials in collaboration with many experts and health officials.

Runner10287 wrote:

My father who recently passed spent the last few years in assisted living. For anyone who has never been to a place let me tell you the majority of the residents would rather be dead than continuing the path of their physical and mental deterioration. My dad was better than most and he wasn't well.

The typically assisted living facility in Ohio and Michigan that I have been to were generally much nicer than the nursing homes in numerous ways. The residents you see are more mobile and most likely in better health and the facility generally looks nicer and smells better. During my senior year of high school all students were required to be part of some service project. About 1/2 or more of my class visited the local nursing home once every 2 weeks. We would go into rooms and visit with residents. My grandmother later was in an assisted living facility and later when her health worsened she was placed in a nursing home.

I have been watching the press conferences from governors from New York and Ohio daily. I think it was a good first step in Ohio that reporting to the state and to relatives of cases by any resident and employees finally be reported but the state is still not releasing enough information using the excuse of protecting the residents health privacy. The question came up in today's press conference again and the governor had no real answer. Cuomo has not provided enough information either. I and others have questioned why they have not released information. We don't need names of individuals. We need numbers. I think they realized many would be dying in these facilities and did not want to provide aid to the facilities or publicize the scope of the problems. I think this is another case of the elderly be written off. I am currently caring for my father in his home in Ohio. I considered placing him in an assisted living facility last year. I am grateful that I did not as I would assume he would not likely be able to survive in one now for the 12 to 24 months it will take for a safe and effective vaccine is readily available. The other group that has been sacrificed are healthcare workers who are among the 20% of the population contracting COVID-19. The percentage may be much lower if they had adequate PPE and did not have a tidal wave of cases. I have been saddened by all the pictures on Facebook of obese hospital employees thanking local pizza restaurants for donating pizzas. There was only one posting showing healthy food being donated. I thought the Cleveland Clinic should never have had a McDonald's within their facility and that they took too long to remove it--Sept 2015. Now we have unhealthy pizzas being brought into the hospitals where to me it appears that a high percentage of the workforce is obese making them more like to die from COVID-19.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

The issue that I have with the “stay-at-home” crowd is that I don’t see a real plan of action from them. It’s basically “shut down society for an indefinite period of time”. How long do we shut down for? What is the measurable data point of when we can open up society? They won’t tell you because they don’t know. This is not a good solution and it really is unacceptable.

This is not true. We've known the broad outlines of a plan for what comes next for several weeks at least, and the need for essential economic activity has been clear. A workable plan involves a great deal of testing, which requires a great deal of investment in testing and coordination of testing. This is where the federal government is failing, again.

There is no restoration of previous normality without a way to fight the disease. Doing nothing and just letting everyone fend for themselves is not a plan. It would be many, many times worse than the situation we're in now.

Again, the plan you are describing is very vague . How many weeks until we can open up the economy totally? If it’s based on testing then what percentage of the population has to be tested until we can open up the economy? You wrote “ There is no restoration of previous normality without a way to fight the disease” What does fighting the diease mean? Finding a cure? That could take years (if ever).

The “broad outline for a plan” you describe are just empty platitudes with no real specifics to when we can start rebuilding. Trump and state governments are no better, just a bunch of empty words with no real meat

Nbni coach wrote:

We are getting exactly what we deserve as a country.

Sadly, you are not the only country in this boat!

No, stupid, WHO doesn't develop vaccines ----- American companies who compete with each other do.