COVID kills more Americans in 2 months than Swine Flu did in one year.

Instead of coronavirus patients, Syracuse hospitals swamped with empty beds

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/instead-of-coronavirus-patients-syracuse-hospitals-swamped-with-empty-beds.html

Reality and Truth wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

What are you guys gonna say when that 12,800 number does pass the 24,000 number? You realize that the 12,800 have occurred mostly in two weeks while the 24,000 was over the course of a whole year?

I just don't see how any intelligent person could look at the last two weeks and still point to the cumulative number when the virus wasn't even in our country until February, and obviously takes some time to get widespread. It's done half the damage the flu has in about 1/7th the amount of time..

That 24,000 is excess mortality.

To get the comparable number for Covid 19, divide by 3 or possible even by up to 10.

explain how you know the flu numbers are excess mortality but the numbers for C-19 are not?

dunes runner wrote:

There have been more and more citizen confirmations that (1) the hospitals are empty, not full of people dying from a harmless virus, and (2) almost all (if not all) of the covid-19 death statistics have been doctored and are not the reality.

In addition to being able to read the newspapers, I have also talked to my sister. She is normally a PT working outpatient people at a major hospital in a state capital. She is now on overnights helping monitor people coming in and out, helping distribute PPE, and other ancillary tasks because they have needs for extra people to carry out those kinds of tasks.

In addition, I am friends with an ICU nurse here in town. Their ICU is full and they opened a new wing two months early (converting it to a COVID ICU exclusively). He doesn't usually work the pulmonary part, but their entire team is rotating into the COVID unit.

Neither my sister nor my friend are in places that are hot spots for the disease.

So, not, I don't just take anything the media says at face value. But I do believe that my family and friends who work in health care (I also work in health care, but not in an area that is directly impacted).

DanM wrote:

Instead of coronavirus patients, Syracuse hospitals swamped with empty beds

https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/instead-of-coronavirus-patients-syracuse-hospitals-swamped-with-empty-beds.html

That can't be real- we are in a pandemic.

Now back to your TV.

A lot of those flu and pneumonia deaths were unrecognized COVID.

No one would want to lose all their wealth with a pandemic. Not even the most conspiratorial, because it would impact everyone involved.

Can anyone see Trump getting tricked by those around him? Why would he be such a sucker? He's lost almost all his net worth with his hotels and restaurants. After his presidency, even if it extends to 2024, he will be bankrupt because of the economy he destroyed.

Some areas have low population density and hence, a lot fewer cases, and a lot of people are being warned not to go to the hospital. It is the ICU's that are being swamped in placed where the disease is prevalent. There were nearly 1,000 deaths due to Coronavirus in the UK yesterday, about 1/17 of the yearly average of Flu deaths in a single day. On March 11, they had 4 deaths in the UK total due to this, and now they have over 7,000 in under a month. You cannot be serious that this is not something fearsome to be fought by widespread closures.

CDC estimates 35 million flu cases in the US in 2018-2019 flu season. If we let Covid 19 run free, without social distancing, it will go beyond that because it is more contagious than flu. If that happens, hospitals will be so overwhelmed that they will be useless to fight this. Lots of job openings for people to transport dead bodies to mass graves. Total deaths in the US is 13,000 now, with only 400,000 cases. Imagine with 100 times that. And death rate would go up.

And I agree with swoosh, it is ridiculous to look for conspiracies. It is not in anybody's interest to shut down businesses.

The only problem with those figures is that it doesn't show how many deaths were at the beginning when they first discovered the virus versus over the years. It could be that deaths decreased as a casual relationship. Maybe in between 2010 and 2019, there were only 1,000 deaths versus the majority occurring in 2009

zxcvzcxv wrote:

A lot of those flu and pneumonia deaths were unrecognized COVID.

Actually, they all died from water. My friend works at several major hospitals and they've determined that 100 percent of their patients who've died in the last 4 mounts all contained water in their bodies.

Everyone should now be tested to see if they have water in their bodies. If you don't have water in your body, you'll be able to wear the mark of the beast on your forehead, will be able to go back to work, and to shop to get groceries.

If you have water in your bodies, then you'll need to be vaccinated and hooked up to a 5G network by Bill Gates.

birdbeard wrote:

What are you guys gonna say when that 12,800 number does pass the 24,000 number? You realize that the 12,800 have occurred mostly in two weeks while the 24,000 was over the course of a whole year?

I just don't see how any intelligent person could look at the last two weeks and still point to the cumulative number when the virus wasn't even in our country until February, and obviously takes some time to get widespread. It's done half the damage the flu has in about 1/7th the amount of time..

First of all, your not telling the truth. The flu season is October through March and the majority of flu deaths happen in February every year since 1982. To state that the coronavirus killed in 1/7th the amount of time is factually incorrect.

Peak Month of Flu Activity1982-1983 through 2017-2018

But that's not the point anyway. Please pay attention.

1) The flu has killed 24,000, which is more than 14,200 and no one is panicking about the flu

2) The flu killed 61,000 people during the 2017/2018 flu season, the coronavirus will not kill that many.

3) 162 children ages 0-4 have died from the flu and no one cares

Let's take them 1 at a time so you can understand.

1) You are making my point right now by asking what I will do when it hits 24,000. If 24,000 is such a huge number of deaths, that the coronavirus is working so hard to get to, why don't you care about that number RIGHT NOW as it pertains to the flu? That's the point. You keep telling me how many people the coronavirus is killing daily and weekly, yet it STILL has not caught up. Look how hard it is to get to that many deaths. Why no lockdowns when the flu numbers start peaking in February each year? Why wasn't there a lockdown when the flu hit 10,000 or 15,000? Why didn't you care about 20,000 flu deaths last month? The point of the 24,000 is not that it's some magic number, it's that there is NO PANIC from flu deaths and there is major hysteria over COVID-19 deaths. That fact will not change even if COVID-19 hits 24,000. If the COVID-19 deaths equal the flu deaths for this season, unless we suddenly start a panic over the flu deaths, it does nothing to change the point being made. No one panics over the flu, even when it's killing more people than the coronavirus. Which it still true this very second and you still don't care.

2) Pretty self explanatory, if the coronavirus is more deadly than the flu, it has to kill more people than the flu. I have maintained this even during the "millions of death" models and projections. When I was asked what will it take for me to admit I was wrong, I very clearly said 61,001 coronavirus deaths, which is 1 more than the CDC reported for the 2017/2018 flu season.

3) This one is the most pathetic. One infant dies from something, possibly COVID-19 related and there is media hysteria and sensationalism. 162 infants dead from the flu and you can hear a pin drop. Children's hospitals are getting hit HARD from pediatric flu admissions this season. Younger adults are also getting affected by the flu, unlike COVID-19. According to the CDC, laboratory confirmed influenza-associated hospitalization rates for children 0-4 years and adults 18-49 years are the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Yet, no one cares! They further state: "162 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher than recorded at the same time in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic.

My argument is about the response to COVID-19 in comparison to the response to the flu. Every single day, for almost 2 1/2 months since I first posted, the flu has more deaths than the coronavirus, including today and no one cares. 24,000 deaths doesn't really bother anyone, or people would have rushed to get a flu shot and encouraged others to do the same. They would be talking about flu safety and how to keep infants protected. None of this is happening. All you are doing is waiting around, watching the death meter and hoping it gets to 24,000 so you can rush to post "I told you so." Unfortunately for you, you're going to have to really crank up the ghoulish death watch a while longer because, in order for your dream scenario to come true, the coronavirus has to kill more people than the flu has and that's 61,001 people. If you want to prove me wrong about point #1, go back in time and start panicking over the flu when the numbers started going up.

Please bookmark this, so I don't have to keep answering the same stupid question.

From the CDC:

"The percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza is 8.2% which is above the epidemic threshold of 7.2%. Deaths due to pneumonia have increased sharply since the end of February, while those due to influenza increased modestly through early March and declined this week. Deaths attributed specifically to COVID-19 will be reported next week.

Virus

Outpatient and Emergency Department Visits

Severe Disease

Public Health, Commercial and Clinical Laboratories

Outpatient Influenza-Like Illness Network (ILINet) and National Syndromic Surveillance Program (NSSP)

Hospitalizations"

There were nearly 2,000 deaths due to COVID-19 yesterday and already 1622 in the U.S. for a total of 14,463. The UK had nearly 1,000 today for 7096 total. How could anyone possibly think that this is just like the flu? Nearly all these deaths occurred in the last two weeks. 6268 have died in New York alone. Georgia just had about a 50% increase in deaths yesterday with 118 new ones. On March 19, there had been 206 deaths. There have been 14,257 since then.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

There were nearly 2,000 deaths due to COVID-19 yesterday and already 1622 in the U.S. for a total of 14,463. The UK had nearly 1,000 today for 7096 total. How could anyone possibly think that this is just like the flu? Nearly all these deaths occurred in the last two weeks. 6268 have died in New York alone. Georgia just had about a 50% increase in deaths yesterday with 118 new ones. On March 19, there had been 206 deaths. There have been 14,257 since then.

People don't think it's 'like' the flu, it's just used for comparison in scale. We all get that CV is causing more deaths NOW (although there is still debate on the figures), but it's the overall scale and how many people die from other things, that we don't kick up a big fuss about (maybe we should).

Then there's the overflapping panic. This probably causes even more deaths. This is often the point being made.

Do what needs to be done, and move on sensibly, try and protect health services, but you're not saving any lives by flapping around like a headless chicken.

I really for sorry for your life circumstances. It must be terrible navigating this world with such low intelligence.

*Only* 60,000 people die from the flu in an exceptionally bad year because of 1) herd immunity 2) vaccines and 3) natural immunity. We have no such protections from Coronavirus. While we do not know the exact death rate at this point, it is safe to assume that it is somewhere between 0.1 and 2%. If we employ very aggressive interventions like we are doing now, we *might* be able to keep the number of deaths less than 100,000 IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.

If we do nothing, we could have somewhere between hundreds of thousands and millions of deaths in the United States. We must take interventions to mitigate this possibility. While it is no certainty that millions will die if we do nothing, it is a very real possibility. This would cause far greater "economic" consequences than the very grave consequences we are seeing now.

Fine, you see the # of deaths as insignificant while I see the massive increases and correctly portrayed where this was going weeks ago, but look at this as excess mortality. We now have 14,000 dead who would likely have been alive for months, years, or even decades. It is growing at 2,000 per day now.

diii alum wrote:

*Only* 60,000 people die from the flu in an exceptionally bad year because of 1) herd immunity 2) vaccines and 3) natural immunity. We have no such protections from Coronavirus. While we do not know the exact death rate at this point, it is safe to assume that it is somewhere between 0.1 and 2%. If we employ very aggressive interventions like we are doing now, we *might* be able to keep the number of deaths less than 100,000 IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.

If we do nothing, we could have somewhere between hundreds of thousands and millions of deaths in the United States. We must take interventions to mitigate this possibility.While it is no certainty that millions will die if we do nothing, it is a very real possibility. This would cause far greater "economic" consequences than the very grave consequences we are seeing now.

Speculate much?

Facts Matter? wrote:

diii alum wrote:

*Only* 60,000 people die from the flu in an exceptionally bad year because of 1) herd immunity 2) vaccines and 3) natural immunity. We have no such protections from Coronavirus. While we do not know the exact death rate at this point, it is safe to assume that it is somewhere between 0.1 and 2%. If we employ very aggressive interventions like we are doing now, we *might* be able to keep the number of deaths less than 100,000 IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.

If we do nothing, we could have somewhere between hundreds of thousands and millions of deaths in the United States. We must take interventions to mitigate this possibility.While it is no certainty that millions will die if we do nothing, it is a very real possibility. This would cause far greater "economic" consequences than the very grave consequences we are seeing now.

Speculate much?

I'm sorry you are too stupid to understand this.

finallyransub17 wrote:

Do you not realize 3% of diagnosed US infections have died? extrapolate that to 45 million infections and we would have 1,350,000 deaths.

"the overall death rate, which includes unconfirmed cases, is estimated at 0.66%".