718 killed in Spain today, more than in Italy, lockdown failing

Baba Yaga wrote:

Wildhorse wrote:

As a matter of fact, I'm leaving now to spend the day in a hospital looking after my 86 year old father in law in the Hospital, as I've been doing for the last two weeks. What are you doing with your day, other than spreading nonsense and wishing ill to a whole country?

If true, at least, you are not scared to go out, that's already something I did not expect from you, but as a matter of fact, you are a much much bigger spreader than any jogger in the world.

That's your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of your country. Don't be surprised to be the worst hit country when you take the worst choices.

You don't know me, you don't know my country, and you don't seem to know much in general. I'm done wasting my time with you.

Shame on the owners of this site for what it has become.

Giles Corey wrote:

Baba Yaga wrote:

Do we know that they actually treated each and everyone of those folks who died to see if they had coronavirus? Have you seen the test? Extremely invasive.

What we really need to see are daily totals of all deaths in each nation and compare that with the daily death totals from previous years. That will tell us about the mortality rate of this disease.

The tests are not invasive at all and are extremely reliable.

That's just not so. Have you seen it? Extremely invasive. And much data points to it's unreliability -- at least in terms of false positives for those without symptoms.

You could say that some people without symptoms are false positive. Maybe, that's maybe true.

But people who are in critical conditions, dying of pneumonia and testing for positive for coronavirus? That's unlikely. They are probably double tested as well if in critical conditions.

Wildhorse wrote:

You don't know me, you don't know my country, and you don't seem to know much in general. I'm done wasting my time with you.

Shame on the owners of this site for what it has become.

I don't need to know you. This thread isn't about you.

What I know is that running is a safe activity which does not spread the virus at all. Your country is one of the only country which banned running and is the worst hit. There is clealy no link between running and spreading the virus.

Your country has failed and his policy on the matter is just dumb and useless.

SEP 26, 2018 | MICHAELA FLEMING

Nearly 10 years ago, in 2009, the influenza A (H1N1)pdm09 virus spread throughout the world, marking the most recent influenza pandemic since 1968.

The virus was first detected in the United States, where, according to an estimate by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, it ultimately led to 60.8 million cases of influenza and 12,469 deaths.

After the first cases were detected in April 2009, health officials around the world began initiating pandemic responses and rolling out new vaccinations, designed especially for pandemic response.

One such vaccination administered across Europe—Pandemrix—has now been implicated in a new report by Peter Doshi, associate editor of The BMJ, who suggests that the vaccine had serious safety issues that led to an influx of adverse events and that these safety concerns were not communicated to the public.

According to the report, Pandemrix, a split virion, inactivated, adjuvanted vaccine, was associated with an increased rate of adverse events in comparison with 2 other vaccines produced by its manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline.

During the pandemic, an estimated 30 million Europeans were administered the vaccine, after which, more than 1300 individuals who received the vaccine reported onset narcolepsy, according to The BMJ report. Speaking on these reports, GSK told The BMJ that “further research is needed to confirm what role Pandemrix may have played in the development of narcolepsy among those affected.”

Since then, new information has emerged from documents made available in a lawsuit against health officials in Ireland and GSK. The documents, obtained by a medical epidemiologist who served as a witness in the lawsuit, revealed the adverse events associated with all 3 GSK pandemic vaccines. The odds ratio was 5.39% [95% confidence interval 3.70 to 7.85] for deaths (Pandemrix vs the other vaccines).

According to the report of adverse events, dated December 2, 2009, there were a reported 3807 adverse events related to Pandemrix, 1138 of which were serious, and 47 of which were fatal. Adverse events of special interest detailed in the report included 141 cases of anaphylaxis, 12 cases of facial palsy, and 51 cases of convulsions, among others.

These reported adverse events are significantly higher than the other GSK vaccinations, according to Doshi. Pandemrix recipients showed 4 times the rate of facial palsy, 8 times the rate of serious adverse events, 9 times the rate of convulsions, and most critically, 5 times more reported adverse events than Arepanrix and the other unadjuvanted vaccine produced by GSK.

“But neither GSK nor the health authorities seem to have made the information public—nor is it clear that the disparity was investigated,” wrote Doshi in The BMJ piece.

The most recent report, which is from March 31, 2010, includes 5069 serious adverse events tied to 73 million vaccinations of Pandemrix, 7 times the rate for Arepanrix and the unadjuvanted vaccine combined.

The United Kingdom Department of Health declined to comment to The BMJ regarding why Pandemrix was selected instead of another pandemic vaccination such as Celvapan. Additionally, GSK failed to provide a copy of safety reviews of the vaccines requested by The BMJ.

Pandemrix was removed from the market after the pandemic, but the number of reported adverse events indicate a need for a stronger screening process for pandemic vaccinations in the future, according to Doshi.

Furthermore, he asserts that the key takeaway from this is that it raises an important question: when do health officials have a duty to warn the public of potential harms that have been detected through pharmacovigilance? How much does the public have the right to know?

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Baba Yaga wrote:

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But people who are in critical conditions, dying of pneumonia and testing for positive for coronavirus? That's unlikely. They are probably double tested as well if in critical conditions.

Again, you are assuming that all these people have been tested for coronavirus.

Any documentation this is happening?

Giles Corey wrote:

Baba Yaga wrote:

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But people who are in critical conditions, dying of pneumonia and testing for positive for coronavirus? That's unlikely. They are probably double tested as well if in critical conditions.

Again, you are assuming that all these people have been tested for coronavirus.

Any documentation this is happening?

Spain are talking about "confirmed cases" which should mean that they are being tested.

USA is #1

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Baba Yaga wrote:

Wildhorse wrote:

You don't know me, you don't know my country, and you don't seem to know much in general. I'm done wasting my time with you.

Shame on the owners of this site for what it has become.

I don't need to know you. This thread isn't about you.

What I know is that running is a safe activity which does not spread the virus at all. Your country is one of the only country which banned running and is the worst hit. There is clealy no link between running and spreading the virus.

Your country has failed and his policy on the matter is just dumb and useless.

I promise you, you really don't sound like a crazy person at all on this thread.

Not one single bit.

Baba Yaga wrote:

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But people who are in critical conditions, dying of pneumonia and testing for positive for coronavirus? That's unlikely. They are probably double tested as well if in critical conditions.

Again, you are assuming that all these people have been tested for coronavirus.

Any documentation this is happening?[/quote]

Spain are talking about "confirmed cases" which should mean that they are being tested.[/quote]

I have seen the term confirmed used with the number of total cases. I have not once seen the term confirmed used once when reporting number of deaths.

Giles Corey wrote:

I have seen the term confirmed used with the number of total cases. I have not once seen the term confirmed used once when reporting number of deaths.

Most of the dead are from losing their battles at the hospital.

While I agree I have not seen that term used, I would say it is pretty safe to assume that if they were in a hospital with difficulty breathing, they were also tested.

Mean incubation time is about 5 days. When people die, the mean time from symptom onset to death is about 14 days. Thus, it would take 19 days minimum to see any effect on death rate. Let's see what happens in the next 1-2 weeks...

Baba, you’re a psycho. If you want to jog, there are many places outside of France. You’re also a traitor to your country. Shame you can’t find any Nazis to collaborate with and show your true colors.

Others have to die so Baba Jog-a can jog.

jesseriley wrote:

Baba, you’re a psycho. If you want to jog, there are many places outside of France. You’re also a traitor to your country. Shame you can’t find any Nazis to collaborate with and show your true colors.

Redneck, I run when I want and where I want. You are the one who collaborate, I am the one who resists and defy orders.

Collin wrote:

Mean incubation time is about 5 days. When people die, the mean time from symptom onset to death is about 14 days. Thus, it would take 19 days minimum to see any effect on death rate. Let's see what happens in the next 1-2 weeks...

I don't think that's the correct model. Some people can die in weeks, but some others , especially the oldest and those who suffer from immunity deficiency can die in just days, before even reaching ICU.

Because Spain and Italy have ran out of ICU beds, some don't have access to it and die. Spain also keeps reporting more and more new cases, and we know they only tests cases who are becoming quite serious.

Baba Jog-a,

Too good to call you a traitor to La France,; you’re a traitor to humanity.

Baba Jog-a,

You don’t resist anything; you’re an anonymous coward.

There is emerging evidence that Italy and Spain may have had the virus as early as October 2019. It that is the case, then they are trying to flatten a very different curve than the US. And it also shows the importance of taking restrictive measures early because delay only means a much harder fight to get rates under control.

jesseriley wrote:

Baba Jog-a,

Too good to call you a traitor to La France,; you’re a traitor to humanity.

Unless you touch people with your hand or spit in their face, it's completely safe to run. You are a dork.