Coronavirus isn't stopping Jakob Ingebrigtsen from training. He posts video of him training at 4:30/mile THRESHOLD!!

Without Hunter , Tinman had been almost nothing to mention!

"World class runners often train different than say 13:20-13:40 guys",you say . That's absolutely a ridiculously statement. They don't! The only significant difference is the pace in training.

Shouldn’t come as a surprise that a 3:30\13:02 runners trains at this pace. Last year he was the second best 1500 in the world throughout the season and his strength lies in his strong endurance, not speed. Last year Filip was seen in Oslo 10x1k outdoors at far from perfect dirt roads at 2:50 pace. And that was also his second threshold workout that day! ( no vaporflies either)

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

oh ok wrote:

this is jakob who runs 3:30 and 13:02? Who cares if he's running 4:30 treadmill miles?

at that speed the plane isn't gonna take off, no debate necessary

What

You must be new here...the plane definitely won't take off.

Even if Tinman would train 3:30/13:00 guy like Jakob differently than Hunter, Parsons or Gusman, he wouldn’t prescribe two workouts in one day. Not many coaches do. Your statement that he would prescribe two workouts a day is wrong. As an example, Jerry Schumacher has coached several athletes to 13:00 or faster. They only do one workout a day. He trains the women very similarly to the men, just different paces.

playboyxxx97 wrote:

Shouldn’t come as a surprise that a 3:30\13:02 runners trains at this pace. Last year he was the second best 1500 in the world throughout the season and his strength lies in his strong endurance, not speed. Last year Filip was seen in Oslo 10x1k outdoors at far from perfect dirt roads at 2:50 pace. And that was also his second threshold workout that day! ( no vaporflies either)

Yes, and you fail to describe the chemical dosage.

Laterunnerphil is the biggest troll in this forum. He probably does not even know that he is troll and yet he stll manages to outtroll every other troll. And lets be honest, it is a troll rich forum

fred wrote:

playboyxxx97 wrote:

Shouldn’t come as a surprise that a 3:30\13:02 runners trains at this pace. Last year he was the second best 1500 in the world throughout the season and his strength lies in his strong endurance, not speed. Last year Filip was seen in Oslo 10x1k outdoors at far from perfect dirt roads at 2:50 pace. And that was also his second threshold workout that day! ( no vaporflies either)

Yes, and you fail to describe the chemical dosage.

Just stop comments like this! The Norwegian brothers are 100% clean! I could bet my life on it!!

As usual, LRP is a complete idiot. Don't know why I am even bothering.

As someone else has said, the Ingebrigtsen family does use lactate meters, but not regularly. When they do, their lactate is in the low 3.x range, which is certainly not CV pace. They run at Threshold or slightly below. I would imaging that they know the correct feeling well enough that they don't need to do lactate testing to figure out if they are going at the correct effort.

Even if it was CV pace (which it is DEFINITELY NOT), Tinman would never have a runner do 12 x 3 min CV pace in a workout. The most I've seen is 8 x 3 min. He also would not do a workout with only 1 pace. Finally, he would not do 2 workouts in the same day, all using the same pace.

Tinman would never have a runner accumulate 40-50 minutes at Threshold in a day (LRP you can incorrectly call it CV if you want). That would basically go against anything he has ever said or written about regarding training.

its worth saying this twice.

but i think the guy can do at least sub 61 half, more like 60 min flat, easy. sure not 59 low unless he goes for that.

right you are

Several people here have stated that they rarely use lactate meters, yet on their reality show, we see them using lactate meters over and over again, including during 10-12x3:00 workouts.

What I recall from previous threads was that they will frequently do two workouts (not just runs) per day, maybe 3-4 times per week, where some of the common types were a) 10x3:00, b) 3x10:00, and c) 5x6:00. I don't recall the rests. I've been doing a lot of these on workout days at a totally uncertain pace for the past six months or so. In the morning, I'll do the six or ten minute repeats and then in the evening I'll do the three minute repeats. While the pace hasn't been all that great, it has had the distinct advantage of improving my shape gradually without injuring my calves, in contrast to harder track repeats and tempos where I know the distance and time and go a lot faster. By using the lactate meter often, they get a very good sense for how hard they are working and can be sure not to break them down for the next workout while still getting good work in. They also are well aware of what kind of speed they are doing even off the track or treadmill. All these are typically done faster than 3:00/km.

Tin man is nonsense and wrong.

Actually if you go back through the archives here, about two years ago Gjert claimed that Jakob could run a half under 60min and could break 13 mins for 5,000m, people here thought he was dreaming.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Actually if you go back through the archives here, about two years ago Gjert claimed that Jakob could run a half under 60min and could break 13 mins for 5,000m, people here thought he was dreaming.

Yea I think you are right this time, the 60 min half comment was when he was 17 years old and now he is even more developed aerobically and faster. I agree now that the treadmill run was at/around threshold with 4:30/mi, which is equivalent to ~4:25/mi on a track or outdoor with real running motion. So he is very fast.

Coaches often brag tho with the ranges of their athletes, I remember Tomasz Lewandowski saying that Marcin can do a 10.5 100m fly, 46s 400m and sub 30 min 10k all in training while training for the 800/mile. That's another incredible range, just like Jakobs 1500-Half range.

Here We Go Again... wrote:

Even if Tinman would train 3:30/13:00 guy like Jakob differently than Hunter, Parsons or Gusman, he wouldn’t prescribe two workouts in one day. Not many coaches do. Your statement that he would prescribe two workouts a day is wrong. As an example, Jerry Schumacher has coached several athletes to 13:00 or faster. They only do one workout a day. He trains the women very similarly to the men, just different paces.

Well, Jakob is a few levels above Tinman's capacity/experience, so anything is just hypothetical. But you are right, Hunter is 13:21 and his training is still quite easy, staying true to Tinman's philosophies.

However, Gjert is not the only coach prescribing double threshold workouts. Mike Smith/Stephen Haas have done the same, for example there is a workout Wednesday of Rachel Schneider doing 6xMile in the morning and 4xMile in the evening on the same day as maintenance workout for a 5k. There is a reason world-class coaches (which Gjert and Mike certainly are, not sure about Stephen but he is working with the best coaches anyway) use double threshold workouts, and if you look at the recent performances of Tinman Elite you can see that Tinman training can only get you so far at an elite level.

A typical Jakob/Filip week looks like this:

Monday -

AM: 10K 3:45 pace

PM: 10K 3:45 pace

Tuesday

AM: 5x6min threshold. Goal lactate around 2.0

PM: 10x1K threshold. Goal lactate 2.5-3.0

Wednesday

AM: 10K 3:45 pace

PM: 10K 3:45 pace. Core strength

Thursday

AM: 5x6min threshold. Goal lactate around 2:0

PM 25x400m threshold. 64 seconds. Goal lactate 2.5-3.0

Friday

AM: 10K 3:45 pace

PM: 10K 3:45 pace

Saturday

AM: 20x200m hills. (Jogging back during rec) Hard workout.

PM: 6x1k threshold. Goal is to have a light session to clear out any lactate from earlier.

Sunday:

AM: 20k long run. 3:45 pace.

PM: strength training for legs

Per week they normally run 160-180k per week during winter/spring. But unlike you and me these guys are well-equiped to absorb this kind of training due to years of training.

Not new. Just didn’t read the treadmill thread and didn’t think it applied

They almost never measure lactate during threshold workout. The times you can see them use the lactate meter is during HARD WORKOUT ( mainly hills during the winter and some indoor workout and during track season intervals like 2x5x300)

They used to estimate threshold pace with HR monitor and they do test in lab so they know what to do.

It makes no sense for them to measure often lactate because they know exactly what pace they should go on and what should be the feeling.

Coronavirus is stopping all the norway bros from running inside the track, from elbowing & grabbing other people in races. Can they survive?

Yeah pretty accurate ! How did you get that?

I guess it changed a bit because in 2016 Henrik wasn't doing the easy threshold session on Saturday after the hills session. And easy runs were more at 5:00km pace than 3:45.

And do you know if they still do the light session of 6x1k during track season when they're doing fast intervals instead of hills ?