Wow. From the Instagram video, you can clearly see he is running at 21.5km/hr. This equates to approximately 4:30 per mile. All that work on the treadmill has clearly paid off. Discuss.
Before rojo comes, I'm gonna comment:
What shoes is he wearing? Not gonna click on it to not add views. Just saying, it if's the VF or Next% please take off 1.5 km/h or something to find his true threshold. Otherwise it would be impressive, indeed. xD
What incline does he use?
Ok but what is the altitude in his house?
On War wrote:
What incline does he use?
Interestingly, 0%. The rationale seems to be that there is no need to equate the conditions to outside. If you can work out at your true threshold and monitor that with lactate meters, you can run at a faster rhythm and also reap the efficiency benefits of training at a higher speed and with better mechanics.
It is probably a high density threshold workout. Usually these are short bouts with short rest run faster than threshold but not long enough to get into too much oxygen debt.
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On War wrote:
What incline does he use?
Interestingly, 0%. The rationale seems to be that there is no need to equate the conditions to outside. If you can work out at your true threshold and monitor that with lactate meters, you can run at a faster rhythm and also reap the efficiency benefits of training at a higher speed and with better mechanics.
Precisely. In fact, the treadmill may not even be calibrated properly. The true pace doesn't matter as long as you are at the physiological threshold, and, as you said, Gjert measures that with lactate meters.
You're forgetting about heat buildup, which raises HR, RPE and oxygen cost.
The 1% rule for treadmill running was outdated years ago.
Ah so CV pace.
No bro, ingebrigtsen runs his threshold workouts under threshold pace, it was his second threshold workout of the day on Thursday (he probably posted it way later).
It was 12x3' a little under what he calls threshold PACE and not threshold lactate level.
I agree it isn't a hard workout for threshold pace but that's his way of training and remember he often does over 25 miles in threshold days.
Last year he was doing this type of workout a little under 21 km/h so maybe he increased the speed because of the results of the new threshold test (he does a threshold test every year in a labo).
Halvard wrote:
No bro, ingebrigtsen runs his threshold workouts under threshold pace, it was his second threshold workout of the day on Thursday (he probably posted it way later).
It was 12x3' a little under what he calls threshold PACE and not threshold lactate level.
I agree it isn't a hard workout for threshold pace but that's his way of training and remember he often does over 25 miles in threshold days.
Last year he was doing this type of workout a little under 21 km/h so maybe he increased the speed because of the results of the new threshold test (he does a threshold test every year in a labo).
"Bro" I'm very familiar with what he is doing, as I said it is a high density threshold workout. A common high density workout is 3 min x 12-15 slightly faster than threshold pace with 1 min rest. This makes sense for Jakob as he is running 4:30 pace which is likely 5-10 seconds faster than his threshold pace.
this is jakob who runs 3:30 and 13:02? Who cares if he's running 4:30 treadmill miles?
at that speed the plane isn't gonna take off, no debate necessary
oh ok wrote:
this is jakob who runs 3:30 and 13:02? Who cares if he's running 4:30 treadmill miles?
at that speed the plane isn't gonna take off, no debate necessary
What
4:30 mile pace threshold intervals is equal to running 12:50 at 5000m . So he is just building on a new level. This is the best way to do it, to combine LT-intervals with maxVO2 -intervals and just back it up with enough easy distance runs ( LSD ) . And with perfect individual recovery control added to this you can do the same kind of training to reach your optimum capacity on just relatively low mileage.
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well actually wrote:
Halvard wrote:
No bro, ingebrigtsen runs his threshold workouts under threshold pace, it was his second threshold workout of the day on Thursday (he probably posted it way later).
It was 12x3' a little under what he calls threshold PACE and not threshold lactate level.
I agree it isn't a hard workout for threshold pace but that's his way of training and remember he often does over 25 miles in threshold days.
Last year he was doing this type of workout a little under 21 km/h so maybe he increased the speed because of the results of the new threshold test (he does a threshold test every year in a labo).
"Bro" I'm very familiar with what he is doing, as I said it is a high density threshold workout. A common high density workout is 3 min x 12-15 slightly faster than threshold pace with 1 min rest. This makes sense for Jakob as he is running 4:30 pace which is likely 5-10 seconds faster than his threshold pace.
So like "TheAverageRunner" posted - it's CV pace. He is doing Tinman training intensities at higher volume, but not running significantly faster or slower than it. Makes sense I guess, that's probably how Tinman would train Hunter IF he had the talent/VO2MAX to be in 13 flat 5k shape (he wouldn't change the CV workouts to be run at 5k pace instead of CV pace, but rather make 2 CV workouts a day or extend one CV workout to 12x1k instead of 8x1k).
Rachel Schneider posted a similar session, think it was 6xMile @Threshold (but again it was more like CV) in the morning, followed by 4xMile@Threshold in the evening which again was closer to CV effort since it was at altitude on a hot day and very quick.
If Ingebrigten's actual threshold was at 4:30/mi, he would be in 59 flat half shape. He probably is around that level, fully tapered and optimally trained for a half, but he is neither atm so I agree with the 5-10s faster than current day threshold which is right at CV pace.
Late Runner Phill please stop hijacking nearly every thread. You consistently change the topic to be about Tinman.
You say Tinman would make two CV workouts in one day. I highly doubt this to be true. Tinman does not prescribe two workouts a day for his athletes.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
well actually wrote:
"Bro" I'm very familiar with what he is doing, as I said it is a high density threshold workout. A common high density workout is 3 min x 12-15 slightly faster than threshold pace with 1 min rest. This makes sense for Jakob as he is running 4:30 pace which is likely 5-10 seconds faster than his threshold pace.
So like "TheAverageRunner" posted - it's CV pace. He is doing Tinman training intensities at higher volume, but not running significantly faster or slower than it. Makes sense I guess, that's probably how Tinman would train Hunter IF he had the talent/VO2MAX to be in 13 flat 5k shape (he wouldn't change the CV workouts to be run at 5k pace instead of CV pace, but rather make 2 CV workouts a day or extend one CV workout to 12x1k instead of 8x1k).
Rachel Schneider posted a similar session, think it was 6xMile @Threshold (but again it was more like CV) in the morning, followed by 4xMile@Threshold in the evening which again was closer to CV effort since it was at altitude on a hot day and very quick.
If Ingebrigten's actual threshold was at 4:30/mi, he would be in 59 flat half shape. He probably is around that level, fully tapered and optimally trained for a half, but he is neither atm so I agree with the 5-10s faster than current day threshold which is right at CV pace.
No Phil! :) It`s NOT cv-pace. It`s Daniels LT-pace ! Roughly half marathon pace . Listen to the pros... ! :)
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Before rojo comes, I'm gonna comment:
What shoes is he wearing? Not gonna click on it to not add views. Just saying, it if's the VF or Next% please take off 1.5 km/h or something to find his true threshold. Otherwise it would be impressive, indeed. xD
How about you stop posting stupid sh!t?
I talked to his father many times and trained with Henrik for 3 weeks and I can tell you that you're totally wrong that's not CV pace at all. And they rarely measure lactate on threshold workouts like you all think.
Here We Go Again... wrote:
You say Tinman would make two CV workouts in one day. I highly doubt this to be true. Tinman does not prescribe two workouts a day for his athletes.
He also doesn't have athletes of the caliber of Ingebrigtsen, a world-class 3:30/13:00 guy. Sorry, but that's a few levels even above Drew Hunter, the best athlete of Tinman Elite.
World-class runners often train different than say 13:20-13:40 runners. Look back at the training logs of El Guerrouj and you will see there is even a big difference between a 3:26 guy and a 3:30 guy. Tinman would probably prescribe training to Jakob taking into consideration his performance level, and might prescribe more than he prescribes Drew Hunter and others.
Also, I wasn't the one who first said it's a CV pace, that was someone else. I just thought it was an interesting point, since I also don't think that 4:30/mi - or a 59:00 half - is part of Ingebrigtsen's current ability range, as 1500m specialist training for shorter events (Wanders, who has that HM ability is significantly slower in the 1500m, so if you want to prove that Jakob can simultanously run 3:30 and 59:00 with a threshold of 4:30/mi convince him to race a HM).
I don't doubt that Jakob will end up running 59:00 and fast marathon times one point in the future, but it would be with dedicated focus and likely make him lose a couple of sec in the 1500m. Even Bekele is probably more like 3:35 now instead of 3:32.
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