Now that Bloomberg is done (Elizabeth Warren DESTROYED him last night), who will win Dem primary?

wejo wrote:

My wife lived in NYC for over a decade and is a fan of Bloomberg and liked him as mayor. She watched the debate solely because Bloomberg was in it. She probably would admit he got destroyed especially the first hour.

However, I wouldn't guarantee Bloomberg is over. Being good or bad at debates isn't the end all be all.

Remember Kamala Harris? She did great at one of the debates and where is she now?

Worst example you could have chosen. She was eviscerated in her last debate by Tulsi Gabbard. One punch knockout, just like Warren did on Bloomberg.

Just watched the video for the first time, and all I can say is... this is really what all the fuss is about?

All I hear is ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with the man's ability to do the job he's running for. But true to form, the Dem masses respond to emotional appeal more strongly than logical argument.

backpack wrote:

does it even matter if Warren destroyed him? She's intolerable. Bloomberg's policies are very generic. It's like he looked up "2020 democrat policies" and picked out of a hat. Don't forget he was a republican (although, Trump was a democrat as well). Buttigieg or however you spell it sounded the most knowledgeable out of any candidate. Dude's well spoken and doesn't have much against him. Bernie's momentum is huge though so I'd expect him to be the nominee.

Thank you Senator Warren!

I'll tell you why it matters.

No DNC candidate may earn a delegate unless one is at least 15% in caucus or primary. In 1 1/2 weeks, Super Tuesday. Senator Sanders is over 28% in polls in CA. The nearest competitor in CA, Bloomberg is at 16% this morning. Wait for a week or so of California polls. Senator Sanders may win ALL 415 DELEGATES IN CALIFORNIA. If Senator Sanders win 100% of CA delegates, Senator Sanders will win Democrat nomination straight up. No need for a delegate fight in Milwaukee. All the Democrat Senators (Biden was a U.S. Senator) by design or for their own interest last night were blocking for Senator Sanders. Biden, Klobuchar and Warren are all friends to some degree with Senator Sanders. Senator Sanders and his wife have had Biden & spouse, Klobuchar & spouse and Warren & spouse to Sanders' house for dinner. They would rather Sanders be DNC nominee than Bloomberg. All Democrat U.S. Senators are friends (well not Hillary Clinton).

underwhelmed wrote:

Just watched the video for the first time, and all I can say is... this is really what all the fuss is about?

All I hear is ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with the man's ability to do the job he's running for. But true to form, the Dem masses respond to emotional appeal more strongly than logical argument.

the press is mostly at fault, asking these lame gotcha questions meant to start fights. Asking Amy about her blanking on a name is just stupid. And that took the time instead of asking any foreign policy questions or anything about things that really matter like low cost housing or DOJ independence.

Just a massive group fail. everyone.

But I'm voting for whoever the Ds put up there of course. It's almost for sure going to be Sanders because of the split moderate vote. Thanks Mike for handing the nomination to Sanders. Great job there boss.

wejo wrote:

If there are millions of people who will pull the lever for him that haven't voted before then why isn't he cleaning up in the primaries?

Only 2 states have voted so far. Also, most people that vote on election day do not vote in the primaries, they have way lower voter turnout.

He's going to START cleaning up in the primaries once super Tuesday hits. I think the difference is that Sanders is engaging the 18-35 crowd in the same way (and perhaps to an even greater degree) than Obama did in 2008, and young voters made the difference that year as they voted in percentages far higher than their historical turnout rates (52% v. 42%). That translates into a couple million votes. I think young people will make the difference in November, both in the race for president, and in key senatorial races (particularly in Arizona and Colorado). It would be a great thing for our democratic process to have the highest turnout in modern history, at which point we would finally have ONE thing to thank Trump for.

I hope you are right, but it hasn't happened yet. Sanders talks about increased youth turnout but it hasn't actually happened. Only two states so far though.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders claimed there was a “huge voter turnout” among young caucusgoers in Iowa this year, saying the turnout was “even higher than Obama’s extraordinary victory in 2008.” In fact, about 10,300 fewer young voters turned out this year than in 2008."

agip wrote:

I hope you are right, but it hasn't happened yet. Sanders talks about increased youth turnout but it hasn't actually happened. Only two states so far though.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders claimed there was a “huge voter turnout” among young caucusgoers in Iowa this year, saying the turnout was “even higher than Obama’s extraordinary victory in 2008.” In fact, about 10,300 fewer young voters turned out this year than in 2008."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-spins-young-voter-turnout-in-iowa/

You'll pardon me if I don't readily accept Iowa's 2020 caucus statistics at face value.......

In the debate they roughed up Bloomberg pretty good. Mayor Pete came off as petty and a little desperate. For the rest of them it was pretty status quo, maybe Klobuchar gained a bit.

I live in NYC and actually Bloomberg was a pretty good mayor. He's a good businessman and helped the city agencies function better while also supporting arts and parks, etc. But he's not charismatic and I could never imagine the rest of the country voting for him although he's gotten pretty far with his ads...

For me its anyone but Bernie. His nomination would be a gift to the republicans as he is an easy target, especially as he is aligned with AOC and easy to paint as a socialist. He is the least likely to beat Trump, and even if he won he would not have republican support for his "revolution", and so would get little done and we'd have a big swing to the right in the next election. And do we really need another crazy old white man in the White House?

I'm tired of Bernie scapegoating the large corporations and billionaires. Yes, those companies have too much power but at the same time we are all happily talking on iphones and shopping with Amazon, etc. and a good portion of the country is employed by large companies.

Bernie acts like all these companies are the source of all our problems the way Trump thinks its Muslims, Mexicans and China. We can create better equity and still reward companies that provide lots of jobs and good products.

rojo wrote:

Sam Man wrote:

The big winner last night was Trump. The Dems looked petty, childish, and too focused on insignificant issues. The moderators lost control of the debate early on, and nobody walked away looking presidential.

That's a good point. I turned it on expecting to be excited to see what was going on but the part I saw they moderator couldn't control it and there were too many people trying to raise their hand to make some big point to try to become relevant again.

So I turned it off.

And Republican debates over the last couple of decades have been the epitome of civility? Give me a fvcking break, Rojo. Grow up.

Bloomberg violated the state constitution to give himself a third term. I don't see how anyone that lives in NYC during his reign could still like him after that type of massive in your face corruption... He might be even worse than Trump since he is not the type to air out his dirty laundry, in that sense he doesn't look like a buffoon quite as often. Bloomberg would love nothing more than to be a dictator, he thinks he knows what is best for everyone, in fact he knows nothing about the common people.

Big Bloomberg supporter here. Nothing about last night changes my mind there. I would say I now have a better opinion on Klobuchar, and dislike most of the other candidates even more than I did before.

But I will second running art, in that as much as I dislike Bernie Sanders (the only thing I think I agree with him on is climate policy), there is nothing the Republican party could do short of removing Trump from their ticket to get me not to vote Democrat in the coming election. It will be my first time voting Democrat for the executive.

hmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

rojo wrote:

That's a good point. I turned it on expecting to be excited to see what was going on but the part I saw they moderator couldn't control it and there were too many people trying to raise their hand to make some big point to try to become relevant again.

So I turned it off.

And Republican debates over the last couple of decades have been the epitome of civility? Give me a fvcking break, Rojo. Grow up.

Take a deep breath man. Try to control your anger. Be better than your anger.

Trump won because people hated Hillary and many just stayed home because they figured Hillary had it in the bag so your casual voters (people like me who havent voted since ‘08) stayed home.

Alan

Bloomberg and Mayor Pete are pretty much the only two candidates who could beat Trump. Sanders is unelectable. The tax plans for any of the candidates (increasing the corporate tax rate back up where it was) will crater the world economy as it will create one of the largest stock market panics in history. Trump's corporate tax cut made all stock valuations increase. Trump's tax cut, like Obama's Affordable Care Act are one way streets in that there is no way to go back from them once they were passed without creating havoc. The only tax plan that would work would be to increase personal income taxes, estate taxes and to eliminate some of the tax shelters that only the uber wealthy utilize (deferred comp / cash value life insurance).

a high school coach wrote:

agip wrote:

I hope you are right, but it hasn't happened yet. Sanders talks about increased youth turnout but it hasn't actually happened. Only two states so far though.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders claimed there was a “huge voter turnout” among young caucusgoers in Iowa this year, saying the turnout was “even higher than Obama’s extraordinary victory in 2008.” In fact, about 10,300 fewer young voters turned out this year than in 2008."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-spins-young-voter-turnout-in-iowa/

You'll pardon me if I don't readily accept Iowa's 2020 caucus statistics at face value.......

ok fine.

but

a wave of youth turnout didn't happen in NH either.

but that's just two states, sure. And like I said, I hope you are right.

I do know that three things are always supposed to happen but never do:

1) Youth turnout will increase

2) Hispanics will vote Republican

3) Jews will vote Republican.

None of that happens.

"Dr. Scala said: “One would think that if Sanders’s theory was right, turnout would be above the norm, and what I’m saying is it looks pretty normal to me. To hear Sanders tell it, there’s going to be this tidal wave of new voters. I don’t see it.”"

agip wrote:

a high school coach wrote:

You'll pardon me if I don't readily accept Iowa's 2020 caucus statistics at face value.......

ok fine.

but

a wave of youth turnout didn't happen in NH either.

but that's just two states, sure. And like I said, I hope you are right.

I do know that three things are always supposed to happen but never do:

1) Youth turnout will increase

2) Hispanics will vote Republican

3) Jews will vote Republican.

None of that happens.

"Dr. Scala said: “One would think that if Sanders’s theory was right, turnout would be above the norm, and what I’m saying is it looks pretty normal to me. To hear Sanders tell it, there’s going to be this tidal wave of new voters. I don’t see it.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/us/politics/new-hampshire-primary-turnout.html

or here, also showing the sanders youth wave hasn't hit shore yet:

swing state wrote:

I did not intend to vote because of a very partial district I live in where it barely counts. I would make time under any circumstance to vote against Warren gaining power.

I doubt it matters. None will beat Trump. Biden and Bloomberg have the best chances.

Are you sure? Biden doesn't seem to even know what country he is in. And his whining about how Sen. Mitch McConnell treated him and his son Hunter was pathetic.

8949842 wrote:

As a Native American, I will never vote for someone like Warren, who used my identity to advance her career.

A native-american posting from Belgium?