Now that Bloomberg is done (Elizabeth Warren DESTROYED him last night), who will win Dem primary?

Already a thread on this.

rojo wrote:

So I only watched a few minutes of the Dem debate last night, got up this morning and was trying to see who "won."

I think it's clear - Warren. She DESTROYED BLoomberg.

If the Dems hate Trump for being a sexist pig, then how can they elect Bloomberg? Check these highlights out. Warren did an AMAZING job of making him look like a fool.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1230352160803651585https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1230324564355428354

Are we all going to be feeling the Bern? Bern vs Trump? Or will Warren come back up?

Who cares all of them are complete clowns. Anyone who wants the country to continue thriving will vote for Trump not these guys who will wreck our economy and flood us with illegal immigrants.

I did not intend to vote because of a very partial district I live in where it barely counts. I would make time under any circumstance to vote against Warren gaining power.

I doubt it matters. None will beat Trump. Biden and Bloomberg have the best chances.

Bloomberg will continue spending several hundred million on tv ads. Senator got a significant fund raising bump. Think of Nash Game Theory. Senator Sanders is doing well in polls for Nevada Caucus. Senator Sanders looks great in California Primary. Senator Sanders will still do well on Super Tuesday. Bloomberg has spent too much money on tv adds leading to Super Tuesday. Senator Sanders is still going to be Democrat nominee.

It is kind of amusing watching a fool lose millions of dollars in a matter of seconds. He looked like a lizard-in-the-headlights.

swing state wrote:

I doubt it matters. None will beat Trump. Biden and Bloomberg have the best chances.

If the economy is strong, this is exactly right. No one beats Trump.

The Dems are as fractured as the Republicans (which is how a guy like Trump actually ran and won)

your rules wrote:

Already a thread on this.

Ha, ha.

As a Native American, I will never vote for someone like Warren, who used my identity to advance her career.

The big winner last night was Trump. The Dems looked petty, childish, and too focused on insignificant issues. The moderators lost control of the debate early on, and nobody walked away looking presidential.

Sam Man wrote:

The big winner last night was Trump. The Dems looked petty, childish, and too focused on insignificant issues. The moderators lost control of the debate early on, and nobody walked away looking presidential.

That's a good point. I turned it on expecting to be excited to see what was going on but the part I saw they moderator couldn't control it and there were too many people trying to raise their hand to make some big point to try to become relevant again.

So I turned it off.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

swing state wrote:

I doubt it matters. None will beat Trump. Biden and Bloomberg have the best chances.

If the economy is strong, this is exactly right. No one beats Trump.

The Dems are as fractured as the Republicans (which is how a guy like Trump actually ran and won)

So fractured Dems mean they lose but fractured GOP mean they win?

Sanders will win. You Republicans will have no one but yourselves to blame when we have a democratic socialist as president. Just like Dems have no one but themselves to blame for 2016.

I dont like Bernie. I wouldnt vote for Bernie, but I will vote for him to get rid of the most corrupt president we’ve ever had. Trump is like dictator-light.

Alan

Sam Man wrote:

The big winner last night was Trump. The Dems looked petty, childish, and too focused on insignificant issues. The moderators lost control of the debate early on, and nobody walked away looking presidential.

Disagree. At this point, there are no swing voters. There are evangelical Trump-heads, and everyone else. The only question is how many voters the Dem candidate will inspire to get up off the couch and vote. If they pick a centrist like Biden, they won't get enough people out and Trump gets another term. If they have guts and nominate Sanders, we'll have millions of voters who have never voted before (or never voted Dem) come out and Trump will get sent packing. It will be interesting to see what happens. One thing is for sure... after last night, it AIN'T gonna be Bloomberg.

My wife lived in NYC for over a decade and is a fan of Bloomberg and liked him as mayor. She watched the debate solely because Bloomberg was in it. She probably would admit he got destroyed especially the first hour.

However, I wouldn't guarantee Bloomberg is over. Being good or bad at debates isn't the end all be all.

Remember Kamala Harris? She did great at one of the debates and where is she now? Debating takes practice and Bloomberg was in his first debate in years and it showed. I don't know if he was too arrogant to listen to his advisors, (he seems to think he knows how everyone should live their lives and to think he is smarter than everyone else) but many of the questions could have been expected and his answers just didn't work. 1) apologize 2) release the women from the NDAs but do it by saying something like "if any parties with signed NDAs want to cancel the NDAs for both sides, I am willing to do that." If he knows what is in them is too damaging, then maybe he is screwed but he shouldn't have run for president then or come up with a better way to say he's not going to release them.

Perhaps he thought everyone wouldn't pile on him, but they did and that mean the big winner was ...Bernie Sanders. Bloomberg being in the debate was a gift to Sanders as is shifted the attacks off him.

Everyone wants to be the "moderate" who can take on Sanders and they forgot that Sanders is actually the front runner. So Sanders was the winner.

Didn't something similar happen with Trump? Cruz and Kasich and whoever were all fighting to be the one to take on Trump and instead of going after Trump went after one another. Maybe it was their only option but it favors the guy with the strong base which Sanders and Trump had.

And then I think that means Donald Trump was a winner as well. Trump has to love his chances vs Sanders.

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The other thing Bloomberg has is probably like $100 million to drop this week to try and change the narrative.

Sam Man wrote:

The big winner last night was Trump. The Dems looked petty, childish, and too focused on insignificant issues. The moderators lost control of the debate early on, and nobody walked away looking presidential.

Yep sounds exactly like the 2016 GOP debates (anyone else remember the candidates talking about hand size?) which turned out fine for the party. By the time the general election comes around nobody will care. People vote for who they like and then make up excuses for why. You would think that cheating on your wife with porn stars and then offering hush money would make you unelectable. Didn't even make a dent.

Warren is done.

I believe only 1 time a candidate has gone on to win the nomination without being at least top 2 in New Hampshire.

Bernie is going all the way, DNC, CNN, MSNBC..... They tried to knee cap him and failed.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

You would think that cheating on your wife with porn stars and then offering hush money would make you unelectable. Didn't even make a dent.

You would not believe what happens behind closed doors. I would find it amazing if anyone on that level did NOT do something like that, several times.

does it even matter if Warren destroyed him? She's intolerable. Bloomberg's policies are very generic. It's like he looked up "2020 democrat policies" and picked out of a hat. Don't forget he was a republican (although, Trump was a democrat as well). Buttigieg or however you spell it sounded the most knowledgeable out of any candidate. Dude's well spoken and doesn't have much against him. Bernie's momentum is huge though so I'd expect him to be the nominee.

As a Democrat, I was embarrassed last night to see that those buffoons are the best our party can muster. Really, that’s it?

a high school coach wrote:

Disagree. At this point, there are no swing voters. There are evangelical Trump-heads, and everyone else. The only question is how many voters the Dem candidate will inspire to get up off the couch and vote. If they pick a centrist like Biden, they won't get enough people out and Trump gets another term. If they have guts and nominate Sanders, we'll have millions of voters who have never voted before (or never voted Dem) come out and Trump will get sent packing. It will be interesting to see what happens. One thing is for sure... after last night, it AIN'T gonna be Bloomberg.

I've heard some people say it's a fallacy that Sanders will get millions of voters out who never voted before. And if he does attract some new voters what about people defecting from him because he's too liberal? Technically the dude isn't even a Democrat.

If there are millions of people who will pull the lever for him that haven't voted before then why isn't he cleaning up in the primaries?

I heard a similar thing about Trump that he didn't get a big turnout, what really happened is Hillary did poorly. Sure he has a fervent base but that doesn't mean he got millions of people to vote for him who didn't vote before. 7 million more people voted in 2016 than 2012 and Trump got only 2 million more votes the Romney. He just got the votes in the right states and Hillary did nearly the exactly the same as Obama in terms of votes. I guess you could argue maybe Trump got new people to vote, but other people defected to Gary Johnson and others.

Do those people go to Trump this time or to Bernie?